[samigo-team] Using metadata for assessments
Jim Mezzanotte
jmezzanotte at rsmart.com
Wed Jun 12 05:53:06 PDT 2013
Hi Sean,
I agree that a property might be good for metadata display. Going by
the settings redesign work, metadata would be the last fields included
in the "About this Assessment" tab (SAM-2072). So hiding them would
just make the tab shorter and simpler.
Jim Mezzanotte
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 5:53 AM,
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> 1. view student question response display issue (Sanghyun Jeon)
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> 3. Re: view student question response display issue
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> 4. Re: Using metadata for assessments (Sean Baker)
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> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:52:32 -0700
> From: Sanghyun Jeon <euksa99 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [samigo-team] view student question response display issue
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> Hello Samigo team,
>
> We are currently experiencing a weird display problem when the instructor
> views the student question response (please see the attached screenshopt)
>
> To reproduce:
>
> Under Published Assessments > Drop-down menu > Scores >
> Click on Student's name > (question responses will display).
>
>
> Test environments:
> IE8 on Windows7 --> no problem
> IE10 on Windows7 --> issue occurs
> FF21.0 on Windows 7 --> issue occurs
> Chrome on Windows 7 --> issue occurs
> Safari on Mac --> issue occurs
>
>
> We are using samigo 2.8.6_SNAPSHOT and its parent is sakai-edu-tool (2.8.6)
> from Sakai 2.8.x_all
> Can anybody guide us how to resolve this problem?
> Thank you in advance.
>
> S
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> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:01:47 -0400
> From: Sam Ottenhoff <ottenhoff at longsight.com>
> Subject: Re: [samigo-team] view student question response display
> issue
> To: Sanghyun Jeon <euksa99 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Samigo Team <samigo-team at collab.sakaiproject.org>
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> The weird display problem is most likely of your own doing....
> "merge-right" indicates that someone attempted to do an SVN merge of code,
> but it didn't work correctly. When this happens, you need to manually
> resolve the merge issue:
>
> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.7/svn.branchmerge.advanced.html
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Sanghyun Jeon <euksa99 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Samigo team,
>>
>> We are currently experiencing a weird display problem when the instructor
>> views the student question response (please see the attached screenshopt)
>>
>> To reproduce:
>>
>> Under Published Assessments > Drop-down menu > Scores >
>> Click on Student's name > (question responses will display).
>>
>>
>> Test environments:
>> IE8 on Windows7 --> no problem
>> IE10 on Windows7 --> issue occurs
>> FF21.0 on Windows 7 --> issue occurs
>> Chrome on Windows 7 --> issue occurs
>> Safari on Mac --> issue occurs
>>
>>
>> We are using samigo 2.8.6_SNAPSHOT and its parent is sakai-edu-tool
>> (2.8.6) from Sakai 2.8.x_all
>> Can anybody guide us how to resolve this problem?
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>> S
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:07:43 +0000
> From: "Sanghyun S. Jeon" <Sanghyun.Jeon at pomona.edu>
> Subject: Re: [samigo-team] view student question response display
> issue
> To: 'Sam Ottenhoff' <ottenhoff at longsight.com>, Sanghyun Jeon
> <euksa99 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Samigo Team <samigo-team at collab.sakaiproject.org>
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> Thank you for your reply and that explains why we are getting this issue now.
>
> S
>
> From: samigo-team-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [mailto:samigo-team-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of Sam Ottenhoff
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:02 PM
> To: Sanghyun Jeon
> Cc: Samigo Team
> Subject: Re: [samigo-team] view student question response display issue
>
> The weird display problem is most likely of your own doing.... "merge-right" indicates that someone attempted to do an SVN merge of code, but it didn't work correctly. When this happens, you need to manually resolve the merge issue:
>
> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.7/svn.branchmerge.advanced.html
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Sanghyun Jeon <euksa99 at gmail.com<mailto:euksa99 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hello Samigo team,
>
> We are currently experiencing a weird display problem when the instructor views the student question response (please see the attached screenshopt)
>
> To reproduce:
>
> Under Published Assessments > Drop-down menu > Scores >
> Click on Student's name > (question responses will display).
>
>
> Test environments:
> IE8 on Windows7 --> no problem
> IE10 on Windows7 --> issue occurs
> FF21.0 on Windows 7 --> issue occurs
> Chrome on Windows 7 --> issue occurs
> Safari on Mac --> issue occurs
>
>
> We are using samigo 2.8.6_SNAPSHOT and its parent is sakai-edu-tool (2.8.6) from Sakai 2.8.x_all
> Can anybody guide us how to resolve this problem?
> Thank you in advance.
>
> S
>
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> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 05:52:59 -0400
> From: Sean Baker <sean.baker at usuhs.edu>
> Subject: Re: [samigo-team] Using metadata for assessments
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> What about a property...
>
> samigo.showMetaData=[false]
>
> ... which controls whether it shows up at all? Still revise the
> verbiage to set expectations appropriately, but then we further
> streamline the interface for the (seeming majority of) institutions who
> aren't using it at all presently.
>
>
>
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> On 6/11/13 2:29 PM, Jim Mezzanotte wrote:
>> Changing the label sounds good to me--ultimately, I think we just need
>> to clarify what users do with this setting, and then the label (and
>> any explanation) can reflect that.
>>
>> Best,
>> Jim Mezzanotte
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Sam Ottenhoff <ottenhoff at longsight.com> wrote:
>>> Providing users the promise of a feature ("there are metadata fields, they
>>> *must* be used in some sort of intelligent way by the software") seems
>>> completely wrong to me. Changing the label from "metadata" to "your tag" or
>>> "your label" would make it more clear that this is data that is not being
>>> used in any meaningful way.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Jim Mezzanotte <jmezzanotte at rsmart.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Thanks all for the feedback--Lynn, I hadn't thought of using the
>>>> metadata for outcomes/reporting. I agree, we'll probably need to keep
>>>> this if it's being used (somewhere), and the settings redesign will
>>>> help ensure it's tucked away. Maybe we could also provide a contextual
>>>> explanation--if only to say metadata is optional, and maybe emphasize
>>>> it won't yield search results.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Jim Mezzanotte
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Ward, Lynn E. <leward at iu.edu> wrote:
>>>>> A few years ago, I heard through the Sakai grapevine that one university
>>>>> had
>>>>> built an outcomes alignment tool or feature that leverages the metadata
>>>>> in
>>>>> Samigo. Even though there is no user facing means of using this data,
>>>>> that
>>>>> doesn't mean that schools aren't using it for reports or who knows what.
>>>>> I
>>>>> agree with Narasi?keep the functionality but tuck it away in a location
>>>>> that
>>>>> won't be seen by most users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn
>>>>> ==========================
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn Ward, Principal Systems Analyst
>>>>>
>>>>> Instructional Technology Systems and Services
>>>>>
>>>>> University Information Technology Services
>>>>> Indiana University
>>>>> Information Technology and Communications Complex (IT 342K)
>>>>> 535 West Michigan Street, Indianapolis, IN 46202
>>>>> Phone: 317-278-5713 E-mail: leward at iupui.edu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: <Ramachandran>, "Ramachandran,Narasi" <rnarasi at ufl.edu>
>>>>> Date: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 11:27 AM
>>>>> To: Sam Ottenhoff <ottenhoff at longsight.com>, Jim Mezzanotte
>>>>> <jmezzanotte at rsmart.com>
>>>>> Cc: Samigo Team <samigo-team at collab.sakaiproject.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [samigo-team] Using metadata for assessments
>>>>>
>>>>> My 2 cents ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Since this has been around for a while and there are some known cases
>>>>> where
>>>>> it is being used (can this be as optional fields that is not visible in
>>>>> the
>>>>> high visibility areas) and move it to a low visibility area that says
>>>>> additional info in collapsed state.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Narasi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: samigo-team-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
>>>>> [mailto:samigo-team-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of Sam
>>>>> Ottenhoff
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 11:22 AM
>>>>> To: Jim Mezzanotte
>>>>> Cc: Samigo Team
>>>>> Subject: Re: [samigo-team] Using metadata for assessments
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I brought up the issue of removing all mentions of metadata in Samigo a
>>>>> year
>>>>> ago as the data is not used in any meaningful way. It's not used in
>>>>> searches, sorting, grouping, etc. My argument for removing all mentions
>>>>> of
>>>>> metadata was that a) it is misleading and b) it clutters the interface.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The only counter-example I received was Roger from IU who said he had
>>>>> one
>>>>> professor who made heavy use of the metadata fields for keeping track of
>>>>> pools.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would support removing all mention of metadata in Samigo and further
>>>>> simplifying the interface.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Jim Mezzanotte
>>>>> <jmezzanotte at rsmart.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm curious about how you may be using metadata for assessments in
>>>>> Tests & Quizzes (Samigo). The documentation says "specify the
>>>>> keywords, objective, and/or rubrics to be used for searches and for
>>>>> categorizing this assessment."
>>>>>
>>>>> My search testing isn't bringing up any results via metadata. And,
>>>>> making an assessment searchable seems problematic, since I'm assuming
>>>>> you may not want students searching for assessments. I'm also not sure
>>>>> how the categorization would work. Thanks in advance for use cases,
>>>>> explanations--
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Jim Mezzanotte
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