[sakai2-tcc] FYI - Sakai missing from IMS Global Conf. discussion?

Mon May 13 09:22:14 PDT 2013

Interestingly, the last time someone from Sakai appeared on a panel of this sorts was back in 2010, when Clay Fenlason represented the Community on a panel discussion entitled "From Course Management to Digital Support for Learning - Platforms. [1]

Clay Fenlason, Product Manager, Sakai Foundation
John Baker, CEO, Desire2Learn
Lou Pugliese, Board Member, MoodleRooms
Ray Henderson, President, Blackboard Learn
Fabrizio Cardinali, CEO, GiuntiLabs
Adrian Sannier, Vice President of Product, Pearson eCollege

The 2011 LMS futures panel included [2]:

Curtiss Barnes, Vice President, Corporate Development, Cengage Learning - Moderator
Lou Pugliese, CEO, Moodlerooms 
John Baker, CEO, Desire2Learn
Matthew Small, Chief Business Officer, Blackboard
Chris Vento, Executive Vice President, Technology and Development. Cengage Learning
Adrian Sannier,VP Product, Pearson eCollege

The 2012 LMS futures panel included [3]:

Ray Henderson, President, Blackboard Learn, Blackboard
John Baker, CEO, Desire2Learn
Adrian Sannier, Senior Vice President, Product, Pearson
Josh Coates, CEO, Instructure
Curtiss Barnes, Vice President, Corporate Development, Cengage Learning

And, again, the 2013 LMS futures panel [4]:

John Baker, CEO, Desire2Learn 
Jay Bhatt, CEO, Blackboard 
Josh Coates, CEO Instructure
Martin Dougiamas, Moodle Founder and Lead Developer, Moodle 
Manoj Kutty, CEO, LoudCloud Systems
Matt Leavy, CEO, Pearson eCollege

Cheers,

Anth

[1] http://www.imsglobal.org/learningimpact2010/agenda.html
[2] http://www.imsglobal.org/learningimpact2012/agenda.html
[3] http://www.imsglobal.org/learningimpact2011/agenda.html
[4] http://www.imsglobal.org/learningimpact2013/agenda.html

On May 13, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Neal Caidin wrote:

> Good points. Especially for the particular panel topic. I agree.
> 
> It was just the initial reaction to why is Sakai not included. But for this topic and format, it makes sense that it wouldn't be.
> 
> -- Neal
> 
> On May 13, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Noah Botimer <botimer at umich.edu> wrote:
> 
>> All fair points so far but, I think, little to do with the TCC. I mean not to say that we are unconcerned about the future of the range of markets and needs the CLE (or Sakai or Apereo) serves. But the admittedly perennial "is the LMS dead?" conversation is exactly what the TCC formed to cut through and just get some lagging things done.
>> 
>> There are some innovations going on in the CLE. There is some breathing space for OAE to narrow in and execute on others. But the next big dollar add-on or integration or what have you (see portfolios, analytics, "social") is very early in the hype cycle and needs big investment and very precise focus (technical, marketing, engagement) to define and realize.
>> 
>> That seems like the wrong fit for the Sakai groups right now, as the CLE works to deliver at and above the plateau, and OAE tries to bring some really great ideas out of the trough. [1]
>> 
>> These are great discussions to listen in on. There are occasional gems. But I don't think it's the time for us to try to predict or strike out on the next great frontier. Focus and deliver on our current jobs -- that's what our community has pretty clearly asked us to do for now.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> -Noah
>> 
>> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype_cycle
>> 
>> On May 13, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Neal Caidin wrote:
>> 
>>> That all makes sense. However, a person seeing the panel is not going to think about all the back-story, so it would be nice to have representation in some way in forums like this, or it may look like Sakai is "not participating", 
>>> 
>>> -- Neal
>>> 
>>> On May 13, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Matthew Jones <matthew at longsight.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Even Martin is director of Moodle HQ (Moodle Pty Ltd). [1] Sakai as Nicola said is completely different as there is nobody from the foundation controlling a roadmap and currently no single corporate affiliate that can single-handedly direct the future of the CLE. The TCC collectively does advise the community on a future roadmap. SCA's and edu bring together these and other changes based on their local desires. Though no there is no constant official spokesperson that would really fit on a panel like this one.
>>>> 
>>>> [1] http://moodle.com/hq/team/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Nicola Monat-Jacobs <nicola at longsight.com> wrote:
>>>> Well, I think the issue is that Sakai doesn't have a CEO or someone like Martin Dougiamas to invite. I guess Ian would be the only analog, but his role isn't quite the same and I think he's on vacation right now anyway.
>>>> 
>>>> Here's the list of panelists, which the article doesn't provide:
>>>> Panel:
>>>> Scott Jaschik, Editor, Inside Higher Education- Moderator
>>>> John Baker, CEO, Desire2Learn 
>>>> Jay Bhatt, CEO, Blackboard 
>>>> Josh Coates, CEO Instructure
>>>> Martin Dougiamas, Moodle Founder and Lead Developer, Moodle 
>>>> Manoj Kutty, CEO, LoudCloud Systems
>>>> Matt Leavy, CEO, Pearson eCollege 
>>>> 
>>>> I know both Dr Chuck and I will be there (and probably some more folks besides) but I'm not sure that helps.
>>>> 
>>>> - Nicola
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:56 AM, Neal Caidin <nealcaidin at sakaifoundation.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/digital-tweed/lms-40-will-semantic-remorse-lead-student-engagement
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Neal
>>>> 
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