[sakai2-tcc] Infrastructure discussion for future meeting?

[Aaron Zeckoski]

> future.  What if only certain things didn't work in a one jvm/tomcat
> demo world, that be consistent with how things are now.   I mean
> things like ldap don't work ootb right now without an ldap server
> living somewhere.

Yes, but users can still login without LDAP because there is local
user management support included. Obviously LDAP or AD or something
like that is a more scalable and enterprise option but we don't fail
to run if there is no LDAP server.

I am all for having a modular system with swappable parts. You won't
be able to use a classroom clicker with Sakai without some external
system and hardware. That's fine. But requiring an extra server just
to run it is not comparable to that situation. For example, I don't
think Moodle would adopt something that meant you needed to run tomcat
or a ruby server alongside your PHP webserver. I don't think I am
"thinking inside the box" or "stuck in the past" or "not thinking
about current tech" here. This is an app that people need to install
on multiple platforms and the harder we make that for them and
ourselves the less successful we will be.

I think this discussion (deciding that Sakai will no longer run in a
single JVM) is a huge one and needs a new thread.

It is also nowhere near being a low hanging fruit issue like some of
the others on the list that don't require changing the way users
install and run the software.

-AZ


On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, John Bush <john.bush at rsmart.com> wrote:
> I think David is asking why is that the requirement ?  We shouldn't be
> letting our demo dictate our platform.  Maybe that not the compelling
> reason, but then if not one only one process?  What makes that a
> non-starter ?  I understand this has been our position in the past but
> what is the reason we need to work towards that necessarily into the
> future.  What if only certain things didn't work in a one jvm/tomcat
> demo world, that be consistent with how things are now.   I mean
> things like ldap don't work ootb right now without an ldap server
> living somewhere.
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Aaron Zeckoski <azeckoski at unicon.net> wrote:
>> I mean it should run in one JVM and tomcat. I don't think I can add
>> much to that.
>> -AZ
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:47 PM, David Adams <da1 at vt.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Aaron Zeckoski wrote:
>>>> Mostly I mean running in the same tomcat (think the Sakai demo).
>>>> If it won't work as part of the Sakai binary/demo then that's a
>>>> non-starter IMO.
>>>
>>> Could you explain more what the issues with this would be? Is there a
>>> reason why the demo/binary couldn't start up and manage two processes
>>> just as well as it does one?
>>>
>>> -dave
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