[sakai2-tcc] [Building Sakai] Assignments Shows Wrong Submission For Student

Wed Mar 6 05:49:35 PST 2013

Not much effort, we've got a couple of things but we were also going to make some other improvements. New things that are not in Assignments 2.

The 'back-ports':

1/ list assigned groups alongside assignment s

2/ allow the submission of multiple files

We will supply patches for the above and any other mods that we make.

Plugging the gaps in Ass 2 will be a much bigger task and since there's no guarantee that Ass 2 will not wither and die, we can't currently justify improving Ass 2 even though it is clearly a better tool. 

If a clear message was sent out that Ass 2 was 'definitely going to replace Ass 1 in 2.10' then we would revise our approach.

adam
-----Original Message-----
From: Berg, Alan [mailto:A.M.Berg at uva.nl] 
Sent: 06 March 2013 13:27
To: Adam Marshall; Beth Kirschner; sakai2-tcc Committee; dev sakai
Cc: Jill Fresen
Subject: RE: [sakai2-tcc] [Building Sakai] Assignments Shows Wrong Submission For Student

How much energy Adam does it take to migrate back compared to extend Assignments 2. Is this a case of sharing work with other interested parties to finally make a better tool.

Regards,
           Alan

Alan Berg

Innovation working group
On the use of ICT in Education & Research University of Amsterdam

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From: sakai2-tcc-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [sakai2-tcc-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] on behalf of Adam Marshall [adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk]
Sent: 06 March 2013 10:57
To: Beth Kirschner; sakai2-tcc Committee; dev sakai
Cc: Jill Fresen
Subject: Re: [sakai2-tcc] [Building Sakai] Assignments Shows    Wrong   Submission For Student

This issue is of great importance to us, we've just done a pilot of Assignments 2 and even though it went down well we have decided to stick with Assignments 1 because there are too many missing features in the newer tool.

We are intending to back-port the best bits of 2 to 1 such as the display of assigned groups alongside assignment titles.

Our perception is that Assignments 2 is a dead end, despite the fact it is clearly a superior tool.

It would be great if somebody could convince us we've made the wrong decision in the next couple of week.

adam

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From: sakai-dev-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [mailto:sakai-dev-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of Beth Kirschner
Sent: 05 March 2013 21:38
To: sakai2-tcc Committee; dev sakai
Subject: Re: [Building Sakai] [sakai2-tcc] Assignments Shows Wrong Submission For Student

On Mar 5, 2013, at 2:13 PM, Matthew Jones <matthew at longsight.com> wrote:

>
> Some questions I guess.
>       * Is Michigan still providing support for A1 or is it (like 
> nearly every other tool) being dropped onto the CLE Team? The default 
> assignee is "Umich Developers" and many are assigned as such but some 
> tickets are being reassigned to CLE Team or others. (This doesn't 
> matter to me either way, just if Michigan isn't exclusively supporting 
> this as in the past it makes more of a case for replacement)
Michigan hasn't dropped support for 'nearly every other tool', though perhaps what you really meant to say is that nearly every other tool is now supported by the CLE team, which has been discussed as the preferred direction (from my recollection), and that developers shouldn't consider themselves "silo'd" in their support of a single tool.

Michigan continues to be listed as the default JIRA assignee for a few tools (e.g. Assignments, Site-Manage), and I've been taking the effort to triage new tickets assigned to Michigan and if it's not critical and/or not something we can work on in the near-term, I've been re-assigning them to the CLE team. This doesn't mean we're not supporting these tools, but instead we're broadening the scope of our Sakai support. We have several new features in development or already checked in for the site-manage tool (e.g. SAK-22450 and SAK-16600), as well as active support in the Kernel, Announcements and Basic LTI, Portal, user-preferences, and contrib tools.

We could remove Michigan as the default assignee for any Sakai tools, but I feel there is benefit to the community to triage these tickets. What other institutions are doing this? Neal has been quietly asking some TCC members to review outstanding JIRA tickets (including myself), and perhaps we should change the expectation of the default JIRA assignee to be the person/group who triages the tickets rather than the one who is silo'd in support of only that tool? This might be a path to getting more tickets reviewed and re-assigned to people or institutions who have can more quickly work on them?

There's also benefit in an honest assessment of how much Michigan can actually do, and if there's room for the community to step in, I think it's helpful to be clear as to where that help can/should be focused.

>       * Is IU or anyone else other than Longsight still interested in working on getting A2 into core? Either technical (development/UI work) or non-technical (gap analysis/filing issues) help would be useful.
> There were nearly 25 people in the session at the last conference, and I was reluctant to hold another similar one because of the lack of progress or anything new to report.
>
I think the last conference showed there was significant interest in having just one Assignments tool, but no-one seemed able to contribute the resources to close the gap between the two tools (everyone seemed to walk away from that BOF thinking 'the other guy' was going to work on it). Frustrating for all, and perhaps worth another BOF to re-frame the question of not who would like to see this happen but who has resources they can commit to a cross-institutional team that would work on this. Would Longsight be willing to coordinate this effort?

- Beth

>
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Charles Severance <csev at umich.edu> wrote:
>
> On Mar 5, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Matthew Jones wrote:
>
>> I reported this ticket a few days ago, sounds similar:
>> https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-23247 (When grading 
>> students, if you press the back button, some of the form is 
>> incorrect)
>>
>> I spent about an hour looking at the code and couldn't see where this was happening. We were just going to add a lock on the back button to avoid it being used as that was the only way I could reproduce this. It's got to be something with the state and context not being in sync.
>
> Is it time to bite the bullet and take this stuff out of state in Assignments???
>
> /Chuck
>
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