[sakai2-tcc] Proposal: eliminate all indies, re-version trunk to CLE 4.0

[Berg, Alan]

I like the name change to 4
I am neutral in my opinion about the indies. I welcome the view points of those who will have to-do the work.


Regards,
           Alan


Alan Berg

Innovation working group
On the use of ICT in Education & Research
University of Amsterdam
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From: sakai2-tcc-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [sakai2-tcc-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] on behalf of John Bush [jbush at anisakai.com]
Sent: 25 July 2013 16:24
To: Anthony Whyte
Cc: sakai2-tcc at collab.sakaiproject.org Committee
Subject: Re: [sakai2-tcc] Proposal: eliminate all indies, re-version trunk to CLE 4.0

For the record, I support the removal of the indies proposal.  I've never liked the indies idea and its done nothing for me but give me more busy work to attempt to unravel it.

Regarding the version, I don't mind 2.10 or 4.0.  I understand the technical and other concerns to version 3.  I'm not sure a move to 4.0 helps adoption or changes anyone's idea about the state of the project, unless they are really uninformed.  It's just a name to me, so I wouldn't oppose the move.


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Anthony Whyte <arwhyte at umich.edu<mailto:arwhyte at umich.edu>> wrote:
The original proposal is here:

http://collab.sakaiproject.org/pipermail/sakai2-tcc/2013-June/003563.html

I've held off starting any work until sufficient consensus exists warranting the investment of time and effort.  A number of TCC members have commented favorably on the proposal but others have not voiced their opinion.

Anth

On Jul 25, 2013, at 2:23 AM, Steve Swinsburg wrote:

It looks like we've stalled on this. What can we do to get this underway? Do we have consensus on an approach? Can we get a new proposal discussed and voted on? We should get any change like this in and bedded down so we can resolve issues early.

cheers,
Steve


On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:20 AM, David Adams <da1 at vt.edu<mailto:da1 at vt.edu>> wrote:
I misunderstood the thing about Github in the original message.
Apparently it was discussed and put off at the conference, but I don't
see how waiting does anything but hurt the project's future. The
collaborative design of git fits much better into the style of
development we need to foster. As for Github, a project in Github is
light-years more friendly to new developers than the current
code-hidden approach with our source spread out in a morass of other
semi-related projects on the current SVN.

Just on a lark, I decided to time cloning Noah's sakai-cle github
project and checking out the sakai full trunk from SVN. Results? From
SVN, 2 minutes, 31 seconds. Cloining from Github? 17 seconds. And the
github clone comes with significant chunks of the revision history.
Clone a few more branches, and it just takes a few more seconds,
whereas in SVN, a second branch would take another 2.5 minutes.
Developers who don't yet know git can learn pretty much all they need
to know to get started in the two minutes they won't be waiting for
the check-out to happen...

David Adams
Director, Systems Integration and Support
Virginia Tech Learning Technologies


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Steve Swinsburg
<steve.swinsburg at gmail.com<mailto:steve.swinsburg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Dashboard, ElasticSearch, Keitei, LTI 2.0, tincanapi, Samigo improvements, key library upgrades, eliminating indies, simplifying the build, etc.
>
> Yes, this is a great reason to upgrade! I think that with very little effort we can even slot in a few more major and mature improvements like Roster2, Syllabus, Signup and maybe a few more.
>
> Just a subtle note that with a major version switch this is an ideal time to move to github. We could just do it for Sakai 5, though that may be a few more years away, do we want to wait that long to get the efficiency and code quality improvements that we so desperately need?
>
> I don't particularly like Sakai 10 as a version number for the reasons outlined previously, too high a jump and aligning to calendar years locks us in too much.
>
> cheers,
> Steve
>
>
>



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