[sakai2-tcc] DISCUSS: Tool Promotions & Deprecations for 2.9: News Feeds
DAVID ROLDAN MARTINEZ
darolmar at upvnet.upv.es
Wed Aug 10 14:23:28 PDT 2011
Hi,
UPV doesn't support News Feeds (in fact, we don't use it :-\). What we were doing while Nuno was "owning" SiteStats was to work closely with him mantaining the tool and, in fact, we would love to keep in this line of collaboration, though we are now more focused in developing new features for several tools (in the context of S2U activities that will be contributed to the community when they'll be ready) and trying to improve i18n support (UPV, not myself, will record short videotutorials as documentation support for i18n...you can see at sample at http://polimedia.upv.es/visor/?id=bfb42b31-80c6-444e-a3c2-3cdba31d6952, comments will be appreciated).
Anyway, if an institution/volunteer is needed to support this tool, I can ask to UPV staff if we can invest more resources as I'm afraid that, talking on my behalf, I won't be able to do it, at least until May. :-\
Cheers,
David
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: DISCUSS: Adoption of 2.9 Release Schedule
(Jean-Francois Leveque)
2. Re: DISCUSS: Architectural / Library Changes for 2.9: DB2 &
WebSphere (Jean-Francois Leveque)
3. Re: DISCUSS: Tool Promotions & Deprecations for 2.9: News
Feeds (Jean-Francois Leveque)
4. Re: DISCUSS: Tool Promotions & Deprecations for 2.9: News
Feeds (Steve Swinsburg)
5. Re: DISCUSS: Adoption of 2.9 Release Schedule (Beth Kirschner)
6. Re: DISCUSS: Architectural / Library Changes for 2.9: DB2 &
WebSphere (Beth Kirschner)
7. Re: DISCUSS: Tool Promotions & Deprecations for 2.9: News
Feeds (Beth Kirschner)
8. Re: DISCUSS: Tool Promotions & Deprecations for 2.9: News
Feeds (Seth Theriault)
9. Re: DISCUSS: Architectural / Library Changes for 2.9: Tomcat
7 & JSF 1.2 (Matthew Jones)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:54:43 +0200
From: Jean-Francois Leveque <jean-francois.leveque at upmc.fr>
Subject: Re: [sakai2-tcc] DISCUSS: Adoption of 2.9 Release Schedule
To: sakai2-tcc at collab.sakaiproject.org
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I'd be delighted if it was more readable for me.
> I'm only asking for changes that will make things easier to read for me. If I want to know which activities have started, I check past and current months start date column. If I want to know which activities should be over, I check past and current months due date column.
>
> If an activity runs starts and is due in different months, we could add (start) to the activity label with start date as only date in the start month and (due) to the activity label with due date as only date.
What do others think ?
J-F
On 09/08/2011 23:28, Beth Kirschner wrote:
> At the LA Project Coordination Meetings a release schedule that closely mirrors that of 2.8.0 was proposed for the 2.9.0 release and the consensus was to move forward with this recommendation. The schedule is detailed at https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/x/VIiCB and has been circulated to the community for comment. Based on previous discussions, I've gone ahead and moved up the String Freeze date to coincide with the Code Freeze date. I'd like to put it to a vote next week, but please share any concerns or questions now.
>
> Thanks,
> - Beth
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:59:44 +0200
From: Jean-Francois Leveque <jean-francois.leveque at upmc.fr>
Subject: Re: [sakai2-tcc] DISCUSS: Architectural / Library Changes for
2.9: DB2 & WebSphere
To: sakai2-tcc at collab.sakaiproject.org
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I'm in favor of a complete cleanup.
Cheers,
J-F
On 10/08/2011 01:35, Beth Kirschner wrote:
> At the LA Project Coordination Meetings the following architectural /
> library changes were proposed for the 2.9 release: Removal of Support
> for IBM DB2& IBM WebSphere Application Server if resources are
> identified to complete this work. Ideas included officially remove
> support (i.e. clean up files), leave WAS in trunk, remove the build.
> I'd like to put it to a vote next week, but please share any concerns
> or questions now.
>
> Thanks,
> - Beth
>
> P.S. Rejoice! This is the last outstanding proposal from the LA
> Project Coordination Meetings!
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:08:15 +0200
From: Jean-Francois Leveque <jean-francois.leveque at upmc.fr>
Subject: Re: [sakai2-tcc] DISCUSS: Tool Promotions & Deprecations for
2.9: News Feeds
To: sakai2-tcc at collab.sakaiproject.org
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On 10/08/2011 06:10, Steve Swinsburg wrote:
...
>
> Does the TCC want to approach Nuno Fernandes to see if he can do it? I
> know he's moved on though. Maybe UPV will continue to support it?
>
> cheers,
> Steve
Do you mean UFP in Portugal, where Nuno was working?
UPV is in Spain, and I don't remember them supporting News Feeds.
cheers,
J-F
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:54:07 +1000
From: Steve Swinsburg <steve.swinsburg at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [sakai2-tcc] DISCUSS: Tool Promotions & Deprecations for
2.9: News Feeds
To: Jean-Francois Leveque <jean-francois.leveque at upmc.fr>
Cc: "sakai2-tcc at collab.sakaiproject.org"
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Yeah UFP, sorry.
Sent from my iPhone
On 10/08/2011, at 18:08, Jean-Francois Leveque <jean-francois.leveque at upmc.fr> wrote:
> On 10/08/2011 06:10, Steve Swinsburg wrote:
> ...
>>
>> Does the TCC want to approach Nuno Fernandes to see if he can do it? I
>> know he's moved on though. Maybe UPV will continue to support it?
>>
>> cheers,
>> Steve
>
> Do you mean UFP in Portugal, where Nuno was working?
>
> UPV is in Spain, and I don't remember them supporting News Feeds.
>
> cheers,
> J-F
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:29:12 -0400
From: Beth Kirschner <bkirschn at umich.edu>
Subject: Re: [sakai2-tcc] DISCUSS: Adoption of 2.9 Release Schedule
To: Jean-Francois Leveque <jean-francois.leveque at upmc.fr>
Cc: sakai2-tcc at collab.sakaiproject.org
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Hi Jean-Francois,
I'm still not clear on the specifics of what you're asking, but if you're suggesting a different format (perhaps a graphical representation of the timeline?), then I think you should feel free to put something together and we could post that on the release schedule page as well.
- Beth
On Aug 10, 2011, at 3:54 AM, Jean-Francois Leveque wrote:
> I'd be delighted if it was more readable for me.
>
>> I'm only asking for changes that will make things easier to read for me. If I want to know which activities have started, I check past and current months start date column. If I want to know which activities should be over, I check past and current months due date column.
>>
>> If an activity runs starts and is due in different months, we could add (start) to the activity label with start date as only date in the start month and (due) to the activity label with due date as only date.
>
> What do others think ?
>
> J-F
>
> On 09/08/2011 23:28, Beth Kirschner wrote:
>> At the LA Project Coordination Meetings a release schedule that closely mirrors that of 2.8.0 was proposed for the 2.9.0 release and the consensus was to move forward with this recommendation. The schedule is detailed at https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/x/VIiCB and has been circulated to the community for comment. Based on previous discussions, I've gone ahead and moved up the String Freeze date to coincide with the Code Freeze date. I'd like to put it to a vote next week, but please share any concerns or questions now.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> - Beth
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:30:40 -0400
From: Beth Kirschner <bkirschn at umich.edu>
Subject: Re: [sakai2-tcc] DISCUSS: Architectural / Library Changes for
2.9: DB2 & WebSphere
To: Jean-Francois Leveque <jean-francois.leveque at upmc.fr>
Cc: sakai2-tcc at collab.sakaiproject.org
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I am as well, since the historic files will always be available in Subversion. Is anyone willing to roll up their virtual sleeves and do this work?
- Beth
On Aug 10, 2011, at 3:59 AM, Jean-Francois Leveque wrote:
> I'm in favor of a complete cleanup.
>
> Cheers,
> J-F
>
> On 10/08/2011 01:35, Beth Kirschner wrote:
>> At the LA Project Coordination Meetings the following architectural /
>> library changes were proposed for the 2.9 release: Removal of Support
>> for IBM DB2& IBM WebSphere Application Server if resources are
>> identified to complete this work. Ideas included officially remove
>> support (i.e. clean up files), leave WAS in trunk, remove the build.
>> I'd like to put it to a vote next week, but please share any concerns
>> or questions now.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> - Beth
>>
>> P.S. Rejoice! This is the last outstanding proposal from the LA
>> Project Coordination Meetings!
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:42:50 -0400
From: Beth Kirschner <bkirschn at umich.edu>
Subject: Re: [sakai2-tcc] DISCUSS: Tool Promotions & Deprecations for
2.9: News Feeds
To: sakai2-tcc Committee <sakai2-tcc at collab.sakaiproject.org>
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If we wanted to include the News Feeds as a core tool, it would be leap-frogging provisional (stealth) status -- perhaps introducing it as a stealthed tool would be better? Is there any dependency on the Sakai contrib wicket project, or does the new News Feeds pull directly from the Apache Wicket project? Who would be supporting the News Feeds tool? How many institutions are currently running this tool in production?
- Beth
On Aug 10, 2011, at 12:10 AM, Steve Swinsburg wrote:
>
> On 10/08/2011, at 1:43 PM, Matthew Jones wrote:
>
>> It looks like the most complex form element on the Options page is the Drag and Drop ordering that is (was) provided by the wicketstuff.dojo.
>>
>> I don't believe a valid option is to keep it at an old version, and I don't think we can continue this functionality if wicketstuff are deciding to drop it. Upgrading 1.4 and replacing it with something like jquery-ui draggable seems like the best option. However as Steve said, this would be a decent amount of work.
>>
>
> To clarify, Wicketstuff aren't dropping it (AFAIK), but they recently migrated from svn to github and a bunch of the classes for wicket-stuff dojo was not migrated across for some reason.
>
>> The tool is a very nice upgrade over the existing news tool, and it would be unfortunate if it just stayed in contrib, but without any named support that might be where it remains.
>>
>> So the only viable options really are:
>> 1) Someone (or some group) decides to update and fix the drag/drop ui elements
>> 2) We leave it out of core and in contrib as-is
>
> Does the TCC want to approach Nuno Fernandes to see if he can do it? I know he's moved on though. Maybe _UFP_ [corrected] will continue to support it?
>
> cheers,
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Steve Swinsburg <steve.swinsburg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The issue with News Feeds is that the version of Wicket it was written with is unsupported (1.3 series). This was successfully upgraded to 1.4, however it also includes an additional library, wicket-dojo, which is incomplete in 1.4 and seems to be abandoned as a whole stack of classes are missing.
>>
>> They need to be migrated, however this requires work outside of Sakai (i.e. it would need to be done in the wicketstuff source repo and a release cut) and won't happen unless anyone is willing to devote time to a different project (wicketstuff).
>>
>> All of this is noted here: https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/NFS-61
>>
>> My recommendations are to either keep it at the unsupported 1.3.x series of Wicket (not a good idea though), or rewrite the options page to not use WicketStuff dojo (significant investment of time unless we can get Nuno to do it).
>>
>> In both cases, work is required before this can be considered as an addition to 2.9.
>>
>> regards,
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/08/2011, at 7:07 AM, Beth Kirschner wrote:
>>
>>> At the LA Project Coordination Meetings the News Feeds tool was proposed for the 2.9 release as a core tool alternative to the News Tool, and at the same time, the current News tool would be deprecated. The News Feeds tool is currently a (ufp) contrib tool and would need to be migrated to the Sakai repository in order to be included in the Sakai 2.9 release. I'd like to put it to a vote next week, but please share any concerns or questions now. I've pasted previous comments on the News Feeds tool below.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> - Beth
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>> From: Jean-Francois Leveque <jean-francois.leveque at upmc.fr>
>>>> Date: August 1, 2011 9:14:34 AM EDT
>>>> To: Steve Swinsburg <steve.swinsburg at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: sakai2-tcc at collab.sakaiproject.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [sakai2-tcc] News Feeds Issue
>>>>
>>>> Is the answer Maintenance Team, then?
>>>>
>>>> On 01/08/2011 15:13, Steve Swinsburg wrote:
>>>>> Nuno Fernandes originally wrote the News Feeds tool but he is no longer active in Sakai.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/08/2011, at 11:05 PM, Jean-Francois Leveque wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Option 3 seems the only good one in the long run.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, who was supporting News and who will support News Feeds?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J-F
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/08/2011 14:25, Steve Swinsburg wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As per Megans email, we need to discuss the News feeds tool. We
>>>>>>> discussed including it at the LA meeting but it was only afterwards that
>>>>>>> an issue came to light when we tried to bring its library versions up to
>>>>>>> date. Lets discuss our options on this one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Keep it on Wicket 1.3.x - will make the tool work but will mean it is
>>>>>>> depending on an old (and likely soon to be unsupported) version of Wicket.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Fix wicketstuff-dojo - requires work on an external project, which
>>>>>>> seems abandoned by the developers themselves since when it was brought
>>>>>>> across, half of the classes were missing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. Rewrite the Options page in the tool to not use wicketstuff-dojo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/NFS-61
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:59:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Seth Theriault <slt at columbia.edu>
Subject: Re: [sakai2-tcc] DISCUSS: Tool Promotions & Deprecations for
2.9: News Feeds
To: Beth Kirschner <bkirschn at umich.edu>
Cc: sakai2-tcc Committee <sakai2-tcc at collab.sakaiproject.org>
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Beth Kirschner wrote:
> If we wanted to include the News Feeds as a core tool, it would
> be leap-frogging provisional (stealth) status -- perhaps
> introducing it as a stealthed tool would be better? Is there
> any dependency on the Sakai contrib wicket project, or does the
> new News Feeds pull directly from the Apache Wicket project?
> Who would be supporting the News Feeds tool? How many
> institutions are currently running this tool in production?
I have been using News Feeds for quite a while now. In my
experience, the thing just runs and is a major improvement over
the current tool.
Maintaining the beta wicketstuff-dojo artifact locally has been a
pet peeve of mine for a while (can't we get this in a repo
somewhere?) but that really goes straight to the heart of the
NFS-61.
Seth
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:07:54 -0400
From: Matthew Jones <jonespm at umich.edu>
Subject: Re: [sakai2-tcc] DISCUSS: Architectural / Library Changes for
2.9: Tomcat 7 & JSF 1.2
To: Beth Kirschner <bkirschn at umich.edu>
Cc: sakai2-tcc Committee <sakai2-tcc at collab.sakaiproject.org>
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Our CTools operations notified us to an announcement made on the apache
lists today that Tomcat 5.5 end of life is September 30, 2012. [1] I think
this means that there should be no question that Sakai 2.9 needs to be
running on Tomcat 7, as there will be no more bug fixes and the 5.5 releases
will be more difficult to find.
This would also mean a period of time where Sakai 2.8 is running on an
unsupported tomcat before it we get to 2.10 and 2.8 is unsupported.
[1]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/tomcat-announce/201108.mbox/%3C4E4272EA.5010705@apache.org%3E
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Beth Kirschner <bkirschn at umich.edu> wrote:
> Since the upgrade to JSF 1.2 version is a dependency on the upgrade of
> Tomcat 7, I've (re)bundled these two requests together.
>
> - Beth
>
> On Aug 9, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Beth Kirschner wrote:
>
> > At the LA Project Coordination Meetings the following
> > architectural / library changes were proposed for the 2.9 release:
> > Upgrade to Tomcat 7 (https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/
> > SAK-18760). I'd like to put it to a vote next week, but please share
> > any concerns or questions now. I've pasted previous comments below.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > - Beth
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> >> From: Aaron Zeckoski <aaronz at vt.edu>
> >> Date: July 31, 2011 2:14:23 PM GMT-04:00
> >> To: "May, Megan Marie" <mmmay at indiana.edu>
> >> Cc: sakai2-tcc Committee <sakai2-tcc at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [sakai2-tcc] VOTE: Architectural / Library Changes for
> >> 2.9
> >>
> >> I would actually prefer if we can split this up because I think the
> >> tomcat/jsf stuff may be a bridge too far but the DB2 removal is
> >> actually low hanging.
> >>
> >> If there are resources then I am going to register a vote of 0. I am
> >> concerned about the opportunity cost here (low gains for high costs
> >> IMO).
> >>
> >> 0
> >> -AZ
> >>
> >
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> >> From: csev <csev at umich.edu>
> >> Date: July 31, 2011 10:34:29 PM GMT-04:00
> >> To: sakai2-tcc Committee <sakai2-tcc at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [sakai2-tcc] VOTE: Architectural / Library Changes
> >> for 2.9
> >>
> >> I am +1 on this with the caveat that we can 't let TC7 drag on too
> >> long. We don't want to finally get a around to this in December
> >> and then flip at the last minute. We need as much developer test
> >> time and nightly server/QA server time as we can get on these things.
> >>
> >> So I am +1 as long as it does not drag on too long - In October I
> >> will be -1.
> >>
> >> /Chuck
> >>
> >> On Jul 31, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Steve Swinsburg wrote:
> >>
> >>> +1
> >>>
> >>> (FYI, Chuck H has been looking at the last remaining issue with
> >>> the upgrade to TC7 - it's in WebDAV).
> >>>
> >>> cheers.
> >>> Steve
> >
>
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