[sakai2-tcc] Contrib projects: reaching out to EDIA

Anthony Whyte arwhyte at umich.edu
Wed Jul 21 07:19:08 PDT 2010 

LOI was also included in the exchange.

Anth


On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:46 AM, Jean-Francois Leveque wrote:

> Great move!
> 
> Indies don't have to be in the main svn or be officially approved.
> 
> You can do independent releases in contrib, even if you're doing it with 
> the official rules.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> J-F
> 
> Anthony Whyte a écrit :
>> Just a head's up, but in regards to EDIA in particular,  I just sent 
>> them a longish email outlining how they can upgrade their poms in order 
>> to leverage the Maven release plugin (per their request).
>> 
>> I will provide them support as needed and starting on Friday begin to 
>> crank out documentation on the mechanics of how to convert a project to 
>> an indie.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anth
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 20, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Noah Botimer wrote:
>> 
>>> I would say, sure, play a buddy role if it's not filled... why not?
>>> 
>>> But I do think that's what the Product Manager and Product Council are 
>>> supposed to provide to the community -- a clear presence and process. 
>>> Outreach and assistance for project teams in meeting community 
>>> guidelines are, I think, intrinsic, explicit parts of those roles as 
>>> defined.
>>> 
>>> Maybe there is some room for a helping hand in that work, or maybe 
>>> folks are just not aware that people still feel less informed or 
>>> intimidated. I'm interested in systemic improvements in terms of 
>>> discoverable, simple documentation and known, reachable presence. So, 
>>> I'd rather see it get fixed than helped limp along if it's not set up 
>>> right.
>>> 
>>> As always, I think we have many people who are energized by workgroup 
>>> membership and inspired to go beyond what the corpus of that group 
>>> might see as its charge. This is a wonderful side effect and I 
>>> encourage all the outreach we can muster, though I would also 
>>> encourage it to happen in concert with other initiatives to be most 
>>> effective.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Noah
>>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Berg, Alan wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>>> The impractical, rhetorical response is: what's wrong such that a 
>>>> group that makes a tool that fills a >gap doesn't know how or is 
>>>> unwilling to advertise or advocate for said tool in a way that 
>>>> catches >community attention? 
>>>> 
>>>> It is not clear to me if the perceived barrier is too high for 
>>>> smaller groups to be motivated to go through the process.  Can the 
>>>> TCC play a buddy role?
>>>> 
>>>> Alan B
>>>> 
>>>> Alan Berg
>>>> QA Director - The Sakai Foundation
>>>> 
>>>> Senior Developer / Quality Assurance
>>>> Group Education and Research Services
>>>> Central Computer Services
>>>> University of Amsterdam
>>>> 
>>>> http://home.uva.nl/a.m.berg
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Noah Botimer [botimer at umich.edu]
>>>> *Sent:* 20 July 2010 14:13
>>>> *To:* Berg, Alan
>>>> *Cc:* sakai2-tcc at collab.sakaiproject.org 
>>>> <mailto:sakai2-tcc at collab.sakaiproject.org>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [sakai2-tcc] Contrib tool to Sakai Enterprise core in 2.x
>>>> 
>>>> An interesting and practical question.
>>>> 
>>>> The impractical, rhetorical response is: what's wrong such that a 
>>>> group that makes a tool that fills a gap doesn't know how or is 
>>>> unwilling to advertise or advocate for said tool in a way that 
>>>> catches community attention? Is this a problem worth solving if the 
>>>> tool makers are disinterested?
>>>> 
>>>> Regardless of the answers, there is a known set of documentation and 
>>>> an outlined (albeit evolving) process for inclusion in the Sakai 
>>>> release. Reaching out to a project team to show them that process and 
>>>> how others have participated seems quite reasonable.
>>>> 
>>>> I might first point to the "2.7 Exercise" and the range of projects 
>>>> "formally considered" and see if EDIA might be interested in 
>>>> participating in such a process.
>>>> 
>>>> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/MGT/2.7+Exercise
>>>> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/MGT/Development+Efforts+formally+considered
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> -Noah
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 20, 2010, at 7:48 AM, Berg, Alan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Noah,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I see improvement via a contrib tool. It may even ease issues for 
>>>>> hybrid mode if looked at for Sakai 3.  Do we wait for the tool 
>>>>> provider to come to us, which they will not or do we consider the 
>>>>> technical merits and reach out if worth the effort. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan B
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan Berg
>>>>> QA Director - The Sakai Foundation
>>>>> 
>>>>> Senior Developer / Quality Assurance
>>>>> Group Education and Research Services
>>>>> Central Computer Services
>>>>> University of Amsterdam
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://home.uva.nl/a.m.berg
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Noah Botimer [botimer at umich.edu]
>>>>> *Sent:* 20 July 2010 13:37
>>>>> *To:* Berg, Alan
>>>>> *Cc:* sakai2-tcc at collab.sakaiproject.org 
>>>>> <mailto:sakai2-tcc at collab.sakaiproject.org>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [sakai2-tcc] Contrib tool to Sakai Enterprise core in 2.x
>>>>> 
>>>>> My personal opinion is that there is an established contact channel 
>>>>> for people interested in becoming part of the release. This is some 
>>>>> combination of the Product Manager and Product Council.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think we should probably stick to our technical charge for now. 
>>>>> Certainly, as community members, I think we should feel free to 
>>>>> provide contacts and information to project teams, but I don't 
>>>>> really see outreach as something to spend much of this group's time 
>>>>> on for now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm happy for others to disagree, but I do see a measurable workload 
>>>>> even on the finest grained definition of scope.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> -Noah
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 20, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Berg, Alan wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I was wondering if some tool makers in Sakai 2.x contrib are being 
>>>>>> put off from getting their tools into Enterprise Sakai because we 
>>>>>> may be putting  barriers in their way. I like the talk about the 
>>>>>> application shop this will eliminate my concerns to some degree. 
>>>>>> However, taking as an example the work by EDIA 
>>>>>> (http://www.edia.nl/), I find the Knowledge base tool interesting 
>>>>>> as a replacement for help http://sakaitools.edia.nl 
>>>>>> <http://sakaitools.edia.nl/>. Does the TCC intend to look and reach 
>>>>>> out to these tool makers and if so is EDIA a possible candidate for 
>>>>>> communication.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alan B
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alan Berg
>>>>>> QA Director - The Sakai Foundation
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Senior Developer / Quality Assurance
>>>>>> Group Education and Research Services
>>>>>> Central Computer Services
>>>>>> University of Amsterdam
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://home.uva.nl/a.m.berg
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