[Using Sakai] question on student sign up options
Jim Mezzanotte
jmezzanotte at anisakai.com
Wed Nov 20 08:13:58 PST 2013
Hi Linda,
Another possible workaround (before "joinable groups" is available,
great feature) would be using the Sign-up tool and instructing
students to ignore the date/time aspect.
You can opt to have sign-up groups created automatically for time
slots. And once those groups get created, you can edit their names in
Site Editor (Info). So you could use Sign-up to let students choose
their group and to synchronize group membership, and then manage the
groups in Site Editor.
A similar approach would be possible for topic sign-up: create
multiple "meetings" for each topic (you could copy the first meeting).
Then give each meeting only one available time slot.
Best,
Jim Mezzanotte
Asahi Net International
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> From: Adam Marshall <adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] question on student sign up options
> To: Shawn Foster <sfoster9 at uwo.ca>,
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> <sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>, "Beith, Linda" <lbeith at rwu.edu>
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> This would be great in Sakai 10. Is it going in?
>
> adam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [mailto:sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Foster
> Sent: 19 November 2013 20:37
> To: sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org; Beith, Linda
> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] question on student sign up options
>
> Hi, Linda.
>
> This time last year, we worked with Longsight to design a joinable group tool that works in the Manage Groups area of Site Info. It's called Joinable Sets.
>
> Essentially, you create a new set of groups, which are joinable (hence Joinable Sets). A particular student can join one group in a set. There is a max number of members per group, so once the max is reach, the group is full and no more students can join that group. Joinable Sets also auto-generate groups and group names based on the name of the set.
>
> Instructors can choose whether or not students can see who are in the groups before they join.
>
> Since "Joinable Sets" is an association of groups, a previously created group can be added to a set or removed later from a set.
>
> Students join via the existing group area on their Site Info page.
>
> Credit to Bryan Holladay from Longsight who did a great job of getting this into Sakai trunk.
>
> Details can be found at this ticket:
> https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-22858
>
> There is a ScreenCast linked and screenshots attached. There is a pdf mockup attached as well showing how it would look in our Sakai instance at Western.
>
> The ticket also has a patch for kernel and a patch for Site Manage.
>
> Hopefully this helps,
> -Shawn
>
> --
> Shawn Foster
> Instructional Technology Support and Application Development Information Technology Services Western University London, Ontario, Canada
>
> On 13-11-19 12:03 PM, sakai-user-request at collab.sakaiproject.org wrote:
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Re: question on student sign up options (Adam Marshall)
>> 2. Re: question on student sign up options (David Minugh)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:56:11 +0000
>> From: Adam Marshall <adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] question on student sign up options
>> To: "Beith, Linda" <lbeith at rwu.edu>,
>> "sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org User
>> (sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org)"
>> <sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>
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>> Doesn't the sections tool allow students to form their own groups?
>>
>> adam
>>
>> From: sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
>> [mailto:sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of
>> Beith, Linda
>> Sent: 19 November 2013 16:36
>> To: sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org User
>> (sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org)
>> Subject: [Using Sakai] question on student sign up options
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>> I have a couple of faculty requests that are similar and I thought I'd run them by the group to see if anyone has discovered solutions.
>>
>>
>> 1. A faculty member wants to have groups of 3 or 4 students do a video explanation of separate math concepts. He would like the students to sign up for their own groups.
>> 2. Another faculty member has students sign up for a topic to do a final project and wants students to identify their first choice on the list. Only one topic per student so that when the first person signs up for a topic it is no longer available to everyone else in the class.
>> I have looked at the Group tool - no self signup available - and the Sign Up tool - limited to day and time slots. I also looked at the Quiz/Survey tool but this doesn't work either since the students can't see other responses.
>>
>> Anyone else run into these types of scenarios and found a solution?
>> I'd appreciate any suggestions.
>> Linda
>>
>>
>> Linda L. Beith, Ph.D.
>> Roger Williams University
>> Director, Instructional Design
>> One Old Ferry Road, Bristol RI
>> 401-254-3134
>> Website: id.rwu.edu<http://id.rwu.edu/>
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>> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:03:01 +0000
>> From: David Minugh <David.Minugh at English.su.se>
>> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] question on student sign up options
>> To: "'Beith, Linda'" <lbeith at rwu.edu>
>> Cc: "'sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org'"
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>> Hi Linda,
>>
>> A simple (primitive) work-around that I use all the time for students wanting to sign up for e.g. tutorials is to create a list in the Wiki tool. Just create (numbered) slots for groups of the appropriate size, and the students can fill it in themselves. Works like a charm, and the history option allows you to recreate the list if a student accidentally destroys the structure (which has happened). Easy for faculty to create and use, and students don't have to trot off to my office to sign up.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> David C. Minugh E-mail: David.Minugh at english.su.se
>> Director of Studies/International Exchanges Tel: (+46) 8 16 35 94
>> English Department Cell phone: (+46) 70 - 23 14 777
>> Stockholm University Office: E 851, Frescati
>>
>> From: sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
>> [mailto:sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of
>> Beith, Linda
>> Sent: den 19 november 2013 17:52
>> To: Francesca Socolick
>> Cc: sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org User
>> (sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org)
>> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] question on student sign up options
>>
>> Hi Francesca. Both good suggestions. Thanks!
>> Linda
>>
>> From: Francesca Socolick [mailto:francesca.socolick at nyu.edu]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:47 AM
>> To: Beith, Linda
>> Cc:
>> sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org<mailto:sakai-user at collab.sakaiproje
>> ct.org> User
>> (sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org<mailto:sakai-user at collab.sakaiproj
>> ect.org>)
>> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] question on student sign up options
>>
>> Hi Linda,
>>
>> We've run into this a few times as well (the first scenario). Our workaround (which seems to work) is to add a google doc into the course site (either via Web Content, or into the Resources folder) and use that as a 'self sign up' place - we're a Google Apps for Ed school, so for most folks this workaround works well for them.
>> For the second scenario, the faculty member could leverage the Forums tool and make Topics for each final presentation topic and have student 'sign up' by posting comments (maybe a '+1' if they want to do it for their first choice). Instead of the 'topic removal' being automatic, once a student adds a comment, the faculty member can just have a general rule that it's off the table once its been claimed (the faculty member will be able to tell 'who got their first' based on the date/time stamp of the comment postings from the students.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Francesca
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Beith, Linda <lbeith at rwu.edu<mailto:lbeith at rwu.edu>> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> I have a couple of faculty requests that are similar and I thought I'd run them by the group to see if anyone has discovered solutions.
>>
>>
>> 1. A faculty member wants to have groups of 3 or 4 students do a video explanation of separate math concepts. He would like the students to sign up for their own groups.
>> 2. Another faculty member has students sign up for a topic to do a final project and wants students to identify their first choice on the list. Only one topic per student so that when the first person signs up for a topic it is no longer available to everyone else in the class.
>> I have looked at the Group tool - no self signup available - and the Sign Up tool - limited to day and time slots. I also looked at the Quiz/Survey tool but this doesn't work either since the students can't see other responses.
>>
>> Anyone else run into these types of scenarios and found a solution?
>> I'd appreciate any suggestions.
>> Linda
>>
>>
>> Linda L. Beith, Ph.D.
>> Roger Williams University
>> Director, Instructional Design
>> One Old Ferry Road, Bristol RI
>> 401-254-3134<tel:401-254-3134>
>> Website: id.rwu.edu<http://id.rwu.edu/>
>>
>>
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>> --
>> Francesca Socolick
>> Instructional Designer and Usability Engineer Educational Technology
>> Services Academic Technology Services, ITS New York University
>> phone: 212-992-6786<tel:212-992-6786>
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> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:26:54 -0500
> From: Neal Caidin <neal.caidin at apereo.org>
> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] question on student sign up options
> To: Adam Marshall <adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk>
> Cc: "sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org"
> <sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>, Shawn Foster <sfoster9 at uwo.ca>
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> Anything merged into trunk is going into Sakai 10 (with possibly rare exceptions). I believe this is already merged.
>
> For the foreseeable future trunk == Sakai 10 .
>
> Cheers,
> Neal
>
>
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> Neal Caidin
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> On Nov 20, 2013, at 5:57 AM, Adam Marshall <adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> This would be great in Sakai 10. Is it going in?
>>
>> adam
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [mailto:sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Foster
>> Sent: 19 November 2013 20:37
>> To: sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org; Beith, Linda
>> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] question on student sign up options
>>
>> Hi, Linda.
>>
>> This time last year, we worked with Longsight to design a joinable group tool that works in the Manage Groups area of Site Info. It's called Joinable Sets.
>>
>> Essentially, you create a new set of groups, which are joinable (hence Joinable Sets). A particular student can join one group in a set. There is a max number of members per group, so once the max is reach, the group is full and no more students can join that group. Joinable Sets also auto-generate groups and group names based on the name of the set.
>>
>> Instructors can choose whether or not students can see who are in the groups before they join.
>>
>> Since "Joinable Sets" is an association of groups, a previously created group can be added to a set or removed later from a set.
>>
>> Students join via the existing group area on their Site Info page.
>>
>> Credit to Bryan Holladay from Longsight who did a great job of getting this into Sakai trunk.
>>
>> Details can be found at this ticket:
>> https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-22858
>>
>> There is a ScreenCast linked and screenshots attached. There is a pdf mockup attached as well showing how it would look in our Sakai instance at Western.
>>
>> The ticket also has a patch for kernel and a patch for Site Manage.
>>
>> Hopefully this helps,
>> -Shawn
>>
>> --
>> Shawn Foster
>> Instructional Technology Support and Application Development Information Technology Services Western University London, Ontario, Canada
>>
>> On 13-11-19 12:03 PM, sakai-user-request at collab.sakaiproject.org wrote:
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. Re: question on student sign up options (Adam Marshall)
>>> 2. Re: question on student sign up options (David Minugh)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:56:11 +0000
>>> From: Adam Marshall <adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk>
>>> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] question on student sign up options
>>> To: "Beith, Linda" <lbeith at rwu.edu>,
>>> "sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org User
>>> (sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org)"
>>> <sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <E1E435A461EE4E479E171D497DD928982B34E72C at MBX01.ad.oak.ox.ac.uk>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Doesn't the sections tool allow students to form their own groups?
>>>
>>> adam
>>>
>>> From: sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
>>> [mailto:sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Beith, Linda
>>> Sent: 19 November 2013 16:36
>>> To: sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org User
>>> (sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org)
>>> Subject: [Using Sakai] question on student sign up options
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> I have a couple of faculty requests that are similar and I thought I'd run them by the group to see if anyone has discovered solutions.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. A faculty member wants to have groups of 3 or 4 students do a video explanation of separate math concepts. He would like the students to sign up for their own groups.
>>> 2. Another faculty member has students sign up for a topic to do a final project and wants students to identify their first choice on the list. Only one topic per student so that when the first person signs up for a topic it is no longer available to everyone else in the class.
>>> I have looked at the Group tool - no self signup available - and the Sign Up tool - limited to day and time slots. I also looked at the Quiz/Survey tool but this doesn't work either since the students can't see other responses.
>>>
>>> Anyone else run into these types of scenarios and found a solution?
>>> I'd appreciate any suggestions.
>>> Linda
>>>
>>>
>>> Linda L. Beith, Ph.D.
>>> Roger Williams University
>>> Director, Instructional Design
>>> One Old Ferry Road, Bristol RI
>>> 401-254-3134
>>> Website: id.rwu.edu<http://id.rwu.edu/>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:03:01 +0000
>>> From: David Minugh <David.Minugh at English.su.se>
>>> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] question on student sign up options
>>> To: "'Beith, Linda'" <lbeith at rwu.edu>
>>> Cc: "'sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org'"
>>> <sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <A5C453E179BCAE4B82557DADA5EDB59B2288D8D0 at ebox-prod-srv04.win.su.se>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Hi Linda,
>>>
>>> A simple (primitive) work-around that I use all the time for students wanting to sign up for e.g. tutorials is to create a list in the Wiki tool. Just create (numbered) slots for groups of the appropriate size, and the students can fill it in themselves. Works like a charm, and the history option allows you to recreate the list if a student accidentally destroys the structure (which has happened). Easy for faculty to create and use, and students don't have to trot off to my office to sign up.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> David C. Minugh E-mail: David.Minugh at english.su.se
>>> Director of Studies/International Exchanges Tel: (+46) 8 16 35 94
>>> English Department Cell phone: (+46) 70 - 23 14 777
>>> Stockholm University Office: E 851, Frescati
>>>
>>> From: sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
>>> [mailto:sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Beith, Linda
>>> Sent: den 19 november 2013 17:52
>>> To: Francesca Socolick
>>> Cc: sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org User
>>> (sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org)
>>> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] question on student sign up options
>>>
>>> Hi Francesca. Both good suggestions. Thanks!
>>> Linda
>>>
>>> From: Francesca Socolick [mailto:francesca.socolick at nyu.edu]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:47 AM
>>> To: Beith, Linda
>>> Cc:
>>> sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org<mailto:sakai-user at collab.sakaiproje
>>> ct.org> User
>>> (sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org<mailto:sakai-user at collab.sakaiproj
>>> ect.org>)
>>> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] question on student sign up options
>>>
>>> Hi Linda,
>>>
>>> We've run into this a few times as well (the first scenario). Our workaround (which seems to work) is to add a google doc into the course site (either via Web Content, or into the Resources folder) and use that as a 'self sign up' place - we're a Google Apps for Ed school, so for most folks this workaround works well for them.
>>> For the second scenario, the faculty member could leverage the Forums tool and make Topics for each final presentation topic and have student 'sign up' by posting comments (maybe a '+1' if they want to do it for their first choice). Instead of the 'topic removal' being automatic, once a student adds a comment, the faculty member can just have a general rule that it's off the table once its been claimed (the faculty member will be able to tell 'who got their first' based on the date/time stamp of the comment postings from the students.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Francesca
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Beith, Linda <lbeith at rwu.edu<mailto:lbeith at rwu.edu>> wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> I have a couple of faculty requests that are similar and I thought I'd run them by the group to see if anyone has discovered solutions.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. A faculty member wants to have groups of 3 or 4 students do a video explanation of separate math concepts. He would like the students to sign up for their own groups.
>>> 2. Another faculty member has students sign up for a topic to do a final project and wants students to identify their first choice on the list. Only one topic per student so that when the first person signs up for a topic it is no longer available to everyone else in the class.
>>> I have looked at the Group tool - no self signup available - and the Sign Up tool - limited to day and time slots. I also looked at the Quiz/Survey tool but this doesn't work either since the students can't see other responses.
>>>
>>> Anyone else run into these types of scenarios and found a solution?
>>> I'd appreciate any suggestions.
>>> Linda
>>>
>>>
>>> Linda L. Beith, Ph.D.
>>> Roger Williams University
>>> Director, Instructional Design
>>> One Old Ferry Road, Bristol RI
>>> 401-254-3134<tel:401-254-3134>
>>> Website: id.rwu.edu<http://id.rwu.edu/>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> --
>>> Francesca Socolick
>>> Instructional Designer and Usability Engineer Educational Technology
>>> Services Academic Technology Services, ITS New York University
>>> phone: 212-992-6786<tel:212-992-6786>
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