[Using Sakai] Using SAKAI Course sites

Tue Jul 30 07:31:15 PDT 2013

Hi Neal,

We are using SAKAI in the International Projects with Russian universities.

They don't have any course Management system and have self made Student
information system.  

We want to develop eLearning courses in Sakai.

And met several problems with it.

1.      If we want to create a course site in SAKAI we need to have an
academic Term, Subject and Course. This information is saved in the SAKAI
Database in the tables with the Prefix CM_. So it is necessary to fill these
tables with the information. First of all we have tried to use the SAKORA
tool. We used it and created the tables. It works, and  it is possible to
create the course site in SAKAI. But the process of the creation of the
SAKORA csv Tables manually is very difficult, so we are looking for the
other solutions. What we need is the easy way for the teachers to create
their own Course sites in SAKAI and  connect students to these Sites. We
want to have a list of departments of our university. Each department wants
to have an own list of canonical courses and create the SAKAI course sites
for such courses. From the other side we want to have an ability to group
the students and add users to our course sites using such groups. So, we
thought about writing a Web Interface to edit the CM_ tables. 

2.       If we have already such course site - it is connected to the
specific academical term. I don't understand what steps are necessary to use
the same course site for an other academical Term  and another group of
students.

Regards

Igor

Von: Neal Caidin [mailto:nealcaidin at sakaifoundation.org] Im Auftrag von Neal
Caidin
Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. Juli 2013 15:59
An: igor Novopashenny
Cc: sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org
Betreff: Re: [Using Sakai] Using SAKAI Course sites

Hi Igor,

Could you explain exactly what you are trying to achieve?

It should not be necessary to understand the database tables in order to use
Sakai. And it is not a good idea to populate them directly yourself, that is
what the application is for. Are you trying to integrate with your Student
Information System? If so, which one? 

Cheers,

Neal

On Jul 30, 2013, at 9:18 AM, "igor Novopashenny"
<Igor at escience.uni-bremen.de <mailto:Igor at escience.uni-bremen.de> > wrote:

Hi,

I'll try to ask them, but I'm also only SAKAI User and want to use the
course site.

But to do it, it is necessary to fill all these tables. Or do you know some
other solution?

The other question. If I already made the course site in SAKAI for an
academic Term, how can I use the same course site for the other academic
term, next year for an example?

Regards Igor

Von: sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
<mailto:sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org>
[mailto:sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
<mailto:user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org> ] Im Auftrag von Neal Caidin
Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. Juli 2013 13:51
An: igor Novopashenny
Cc: sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org
<mailto:sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org> 
Betreff: Re: [Using Sakai] Using SAKAI Course sites

Hi Igor,

You are more likely to get an answer to questions of a technical nature on
the Production list (system admins, dbas, etc) ,
<mailto:production at collab.sakaiproject.org>
production at collab.sakaiproject.org , or the Developers list,
<mailto:sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org> sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org
.  The Developers list is a bit more active, but you could try both.

This list is primarily focused on using Sakai, not developing or debugging
it.

Cheers,

Neal Caidin

Sakai CLE Community Coordinator

Apereo Foundation

Skype: nealkdin

On Jul 30, 2013, at 3:27 AM, igor Novopashenny <
<mailto:Igor at escience.uni-bremen.de> Igor at escience.uni-bremen.de> wrote:

Hi,

we are trying to understand how the tables for the course Management are
organized in SAKAI.

Unfortunately we cannot find any documentation for the tables with the
Prefix CM_.

Analysing the documentation of the SAKORA tools and some other  documents we
have understood a lot, but there are still some open questions.

May be somebody can help us.

1.      Table CM_MEETING_T. It looks like, that this table is not used un
the current versions. In any case it stays empty in our installation. From
the other side we don't understand where the information about the sections
(such as Meeting Details, Section Size etc.) is saved. If I add some
sections the information is saved, but I don't know where.

2.      CM_OFFICIAL_INSTRUCTORS_T What for is this table? It is not used in
SAKORA, so I don't understand what the Official Instructor means.

3.      CM_COURSE_SET_CANON_ASSOC_T- I understand the sense of this table,
but it looks like that it is not really used. If I make the inputs in the
tables manually and leave this table empty, everything works without it.

4.      CM_CROSS_LISTING_T- What is it?

5.      CM_ENROLLMENT_SET_T- As I understand, this table is used do manage
different categories of the studies (lecture, practice, laboratory, etc.).
For a course offering different categories of studies are defined here.
After it the students are connected to this categories of the studies via
the table CM_ENROLLMENT_T. Is it correct?

Kind regards

Igor    

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