[Using Sakai] Site Info -> Page Order -> Hide, Disable

[Matthew Jones]

Most of the "tools" in Sakai have services that content can be added to
without the tool (or UI) being displayed. When this happens it leads to
issues with other things like Site Duplication/Import (
https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-23176)

I think things like this kind of show that any seemingly simple features
added to Sakai can have a ton of unfinished work or cause a number of
regressions, sometimes not discovered until much later. There was recently
a very expensive fix for various tools that implemented grouping linking up
to Gradebook (https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-19668). Grouping was
implemented pretty inconsistently back years ago, then the contract between
some tools and gradebook was changed. Some tools add the item directly into
gradebook, some tools make it a linked grade and store the score in the
tool.

Another example of another feature in linked tools that surfaced as a
problem in Lessons was the Release/Open Date for linked tools (
https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/LSNBLDR-101). Resources and
Assignments (and other tools) that are using the date feature are not
completely hidden by Lessons, mostly because of all the possible
exceptions, special cases and no easy way to check.

Not to say these aren't worth filing but it seems like there's a limit for
what will be fixed for sure!


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Steve Swinsburg
<steve.swinsburg at gmail.com>wrote:

> It would be good if tools like lessons could integrate with these tools
> without needing to have them added to the site at all. Something like a
> site stealth mode where functionality is embedded but not directly
> accessible. Maybe I've had too much holiday sun.
>
> Gesendent von meinem iPhone
>
> On 05/02/2013, at 5:11, Andrea Schmidt <agschmid at umail.iu.edu> wrote:
>
> I'm working on it. As for the 'hidden' forums tool, I had
> created MSGCNTR-777.
>
> Andrea
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Beth Kirschner <bkirschn at umich.edu> wrote:
>
>> I'm able to reproduce the problem with Forums, and have written this up
>> as a separate sub-task under your JIRA. I think it would be helpful if you
>> can create additional sub-tasks for each specific tool that you think is
>> misbehaving - they are likely separate problems that need to be addressed
>> in the code for the separate tools.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> - Beth
>>
>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:57 AM, Andrea Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> > I understand why the hide option would be very useful,especially if the
>> instructor would like weekly units in Lessons and wants to control how the
>> students access the material.
>> >
>> > Since Assignments, Tests & Quizzes and Forums are easily added through
>> Lessons, what would be the expected behavior of the links created
>> automatically on the Home page?
>> >
>> > Forums are hidden on the menu, (as intended), are accessible through
>> Lessons, (as intended), but if a someone posts to a Forum, a link shows up
>> on the Home page of the site under Messages & Forums notifications, but
>> Forums are not accessible to students through this link.
>> >
>> >  Assignments: if the instructor selects to post the assignment open
>> date to Announcements, that link is also not accessible to students.
>> >
>> > I would think if a tool creates a link in the site and students are
>> able to view the link, even if the tool is hidden on the menu, the student
>> should be able to have access through the link. If the student should not
>> have access, the links should not display, especially with Forums. With
>> Assignments, the instructor can make sure not to post the open date to
>> Announcements, but with  Forums, the instructor has no control and I would
>> think having a link that doesn't work would be confusing to students.
>> >
>> > Thanks, Andrea
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Charles Severance <csev at umich.edu>
>> wrote:
>> > The problem is that if we completely lock the tool then if you add a
>> quiz or discussion to Lesson Builder it will be locked too.
>> >
>> > If you hide it only - then Lesson builder can know about it and send
>> users to it.
>> >
>> > Hide is most useful when a teacher wants to really control the
>> structure in Lesson Builder and not allow the user to go into Samigo or
>> Message Center and look around
>> >
>> > Lock is most useful when you want to build something and keep it
>> completely inaccessible to the users and are not giving them links via
>> Lesson Builder.
>> >
>> > /Chuck
>> >
>> > On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Andrea Schmidt wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> I'm looking for information on the new Page Order feature under Site
>> Info on 2.9. There is already a "hide" option, and now there is the lock
>> icon with "Disable the following page for normal users". I'm confused on
>> the expected behavior for each and the help files don't have any
>> information. Both hide the item on the menu from the user. If an assignment
>> is added through another tool that is visible to the students, what is the
>> expected behavior for each option?
>> >>
>> >> Lock: Disable the following page for normal users
>> >> Lightbulb: Hide the following page from normal users
>> >>
>> >> Thank you,
>> >> Andrea Schmidt
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