[Using Sakai] [Building Sakai] Support for additional browsers

[Hedrick Charles]

My staff use Macs, so we have fairly heavy use of Safari. If I saw a serious problem I would fix it. 

We're just starting to look at iOS devices. However until the HTML editor works on IOS it's futile to expect full support. At least in our copy of 2.8.0-B05 CK doesn't work on iOS. FCK didn't in 2.7. I agree that this is a big problem. We have one program using iPads for its instruction. I guess I need to look at what's going on.

On Mar 30, 2011, at 3:42:00 PM, Matthew Jones wrote:

> This issue seems to come up every few months and I'm not sure what the real problem is. I guess it depends on what you defined "supported" as being and how up-to-date you stay with Sakai.
> 
> If there is an issue with any browser (IE9/Safari/Chrome) and it's reported in jira, from what I can see it gets fixed reasonably fast. What specific issues are you having? Are you filing jiras for them?
> 
> Just a quick search shows that many specific Chrome/Safari issues were reported and fixed recently:
> 
> * SAK-20129 - Chrome specific rendering of options misses radiobox for Default setting - Assignments
> * SAK-19561  -When uploading a files to Resources in Safari, 'Upload Files Now' button is disabled
> * SAK-15797 - Worksite setup table borders break on hover / invisible in Safari
> 
> Even IE9 has been tested and many things are currently being worked on, likely not until 2.8.1, but there is the temporary emulation fix.
> 
> I guess the biggest problem with this is if you don't upgrade Sakai often (staying at most 1 major release behind), browsers will keep moving forward and you'll be stuck on a release with incompatibilities. For instance 2.7 is "significantly" better on mobile devices [1] and chrome/safari than 2.6 was , and 2.8 and 2.9 will work even better. (Especially if those IU REST feeds get in) There just aren't the (people) resources available to keep 2-3 year old releases of Sakai up-to-date. Also, many browsers unfortunately don't support an "Emulate old version" feature like IE9 does that we were able to patch in with KNL-697. 
> 
> Personally I work and do most browsing in the (latest greatest) Chrome. Many of the developers around me are using Safari. We use various features of Sakai daily and often hear when somethings wrong and file/fix it, but are on a reasonably newer of Sakai (2.7.1). I guess it's all a problem of limited QA as you said (though the users are also QA) and what you locally need to support. Locally at Umich I'd say emphatically that we don't need to support IE6 or IE7 anymore but we do have to "support" Chrome & Safari because the faculty and students aren't going to stop using it. And based on the recent numbers they are using it as it these 2 webkit based browsers combine for nearly 50% of all usage.
> 
> [1] https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK/component/11220
> 
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Mathieu Plourde <mathieu at udel.edu> wrote:
> Dear fellow Sakaigers,
> 
> The use of Mac computers on our campus has grown dramatically over the last few years, and as a result many faculty and students would like to be able to use the Safari browser when using Sakai. The popularity of all iOS devices which rely on Safari also makes a case for making Sakai compatible with Sakai. Many features do work successfully in Sakai on this browser, but unfortunately there are several instances where unexpected behavior can occur and so we are compelled to warn our users, and request that Safari not be used with Sakai.
> 
> Similarly, Chrome has recently been rated as the third most used browser behind Internet Explorer and Firefox. Since Chrome, Safari, and many mobile device browsers are based on the Webkit engine, once we make one of them compliant, we may find that it is relatively easy to make Sakai work with others. [1]
> 
> This is not the first time that such a call to action has circulated on-list, but we believe that it is time to rethink our Firefox-centric approach, not only for Sakai OAE, but for the 2.x branches as well.
> 
> Any thoughts or progress on these fronts?
> 
> [1] http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-na-monthly-201003-201103
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