[Using Sakai] Tests&Quizzes vs. groups :(

[Zhen Qian]

Will,

I assume you were referring to !group.template.course instead of
!group.course.template.

Based on the groupAzgTemplate() in BaseSiteService, the realm used for
group creation is !group.template.SITE_TYPE

protected String groupAzgTemplate(Site site)
	{
		String azgTemplate = null;
		if (isUserSite(site.getId()))
		{
			azgTemplate = "!group.user";
		}
		else
		{
			// use the type's template, if defined
			azgTemplate = "!group.template";
			String type = site.getType();
			if (type != null)
			{
				azgTemplate = azgTemplate + "." + type;
			}
		}

		return azgTemplate;
	}

Groups are created based on the template realm, not the parent site realm.
>From BaseSite.java:

		if (m_azg == null)
		{
			try
			{
				m_azg = AuthzGroupService.getAuthzGroup(getReference());
			}
			catch (GroupNotDefinedException e)
			{
				try
				{
					// create the group's azg, but don't store it yet (that happens if
save is called)
					// use a template, but assign no user any maintain role

					// find the template for the new azg
					String groupAzgTemplate = siteService.groupAzgTemplate(m_site);
					AuthzGroup template = null;
					try
					{
						template = AuthzGroupService.getAuthzGroup(groupAzgTemplate);
					}
					catch (Exception e1)
					{
						try
						{
							// if the template is not defined, try the fall back template
							template = AuthzGroupService.getAuthzGroup("!group.template");
						}
						catch (Exception e2)
						{
						}
					}

					m_azg = AuthzGroupService.newAuthzGroup(getReference(), template,
null);
					m_azgChanged = true;
				}
				catch (Throwable t)
				{
					M_log.warn("getAzg: " + t);
				}
			}
		}

So after you've modified the !group.template.course to have TUTOR role, any
newly created groups for course sites should have TUTOR role inside. So you
SHOULD be able to add site TUTOR users into groups.

How about the error messages now? Any " role undefined: Tutor" messages?

- Zhen


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Zhen Qian
Software Developer
Digital Media Commons
University of Michigan
734-647-6343
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On Jun 11, 2009, at 4:40 PM, will at serensoft.com wrote:

I'm hoping this is the documentation:
http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/DOC/Groups+vs.+Sections

If we're reading that right--

We copied the Teaching Assistant role in !group.course.template to a
new role named Tutor, so that should...

Nope, still won't let us add folks who are in the Tutor role, to a group.


What else are we missing?

/site/xyzxyzxyz has TUTOR role
/site/xyzxyzxyz/group/pdqpdqpdq all have TUTOR role
!group.course.template has TUTOR role
!site.template.course has TUTOR role


On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:21 PM, will at serensoft.com<will at serensoft.com>
wrote:
That's probably it. Where's the documentation that explains what
'correctly configured' means for !group.template.course?


On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Stephen
Marquard<stephen.marquard at uct.ac.za> wrote:
You may have your !group.template.XXX realms incorrectly configured,
specifically a mismatch between the roles in the site realm and the group
template realms.

Regards
Stephen

"will at serensoft.com" <will at serensoft.com> 06/11/09 10:00 PM >>>
Short version: some users can be added to a worksite group, others
can't? After adding users X and Y to 'group-member-list', click
UPDATE, and revisit the group... those user-names aren't there! What's
up with that?

Long version:

Course workste, with groups -- we add teaching-assistants individually
as users to their respective groups and... when revisiting the group
those user-names are NOT listed among the members of the group.
Anybody else find this and develop a workaround?

We tried adding teaching-assistants by role to the appropriate groups,
and THAT does 'stick' (as opposed to the individual usernames
disappearing from the group-memeber-list) but they still can't see
gradebook items.

org.sakaiproject.site.util.SiteParticipantHelper -
SiteParticipantHelper.prepareParticipants: user not defined
1243961e-bee2-4a85-8d93-b7691c460848
2009-06-11 15:38:05,109  WARN http-80-Processor12
org.sakaiproject.authz.impl.BaseAuthzGroup - .addUserRole: role
undefined: Tutor
2009-06-11 15:38:05,109  WARN http-80-Processor12
org.sakaiproject.authz.impl.BaseAuthzGroup - .addUserRole: role
undefined: Tutor
2009-06-11 15:38:09,281  WARN http-80-Processor10
org.sakaiproject.site.util.SiteParticipantHelper -
SiteParticipantHelper.prepareParticipants: user not defined
1243961e-bee2-4a85-8d93-b7691c460848

We've renamed the teaching-assistant role to 'tutor' (using the !admin
realms tool). Would that cause trouble? What's going on here?

This is on Sakai 2.6.x r62883

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will trillich
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go." -- Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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