[WG: Sakai QA] [Building Sakai] [Management] Conversion scripts: Microsoft SQL Server scripts (who maintains?)

Mon Apr 26 13:55:49 PDT 2010

OK, fair enough, thanks, Anthony.

~Clay

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Anthony Whyte <arwhyte at umich.edu> wrote:
> Use of the term "proposed deprecation" and a phrase like "reduced DB support" in the thread below misrepresent the actual state of affairs here.  Microsoft SQL Server has never been included among the databases that we test Sakai against when rolling out new releases.  So there is nothing to deprecate here nor our will the script's removal equal reduced DB support.  There is simply a file to remove from 2.7.x (and trunk) before we release Sakai 2.7.0 lest we provide the impression that Community releases support MS SQL Server.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anthony
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Nate Angell wrote:
>
>> So then, from a product coherence standpoint, it seems better to
>> remove what MS SQL support there is as it is incomplete and in
>> conflict with the community's stated supported technologies.
>>
>> It makes sense to me that we might be even more deliberately public
>> and loud about our supported technologies for 2.8, and perhaps there
>> is a place in the wiki to point people to those places in
>> contrib/elsewhere where they might find information on not officially
>> supported technologies like MS SQL.
>>
>> --
>> Nate Angell
>> Client Evangelist, rSmart
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM, David Horwitz <david.horwitz at uct.ac.za> wrote:
>>> My vote:
>>>
>>> remove both the 2.7 and 2.8 mssql scripts. We said back in  Novemeber
>>> that it wasn't on the supported list:
>>>
>>> http://collab.sakaiproject.org/pipermail/management/2009-November/000298.html
>>>
>>> D
>>>
>>> On 04/26/2010 07:22 PM, Clay Fenlason wrote:
>>>> My own view is that *whether* to follow this tack for 2.7 is not
>>>> really a determination for the Product Council to make, though it
>>>> should play a role in making sure this reduced DB support is clear to
>>>> both the community and casual downloaders - including an explanation
>>>> of how to change the situation, if someone is motivated.
>>>>
>>>> At the same time, I think this is yet another example of something
>>>> that needs to come up before the release cycle begins. Knowing what
>>>> resources we have for QA and maintenance is something that should be
>>>> firmed up before we even get started, and on that point the PC could
>>>> be a stronger advocate.
>>>>
>>>> It's my aim to get firm commitments of resource for a 2.8 cycle by the
>>>> end of the conference, and if we can't get such commitments we'll need
>>>> to scale plans back accordingly. We should be applying the same
>>>> discipline to a release cycle that we do to a project looking to
>>>> graduate from incubation - a plan with requirements supported by
>>>> committed resource.
>>>>
>>>> ~Clay
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Nate Angell <nate.angell at rsmart.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd be happy to hear others say this proposed deprecation is minor
>>>>> enough not to warrant Product Council scrutiny, but in an attempt to
>>>>> be systematic, should the Council weigh in? The question of MS SQL
>>>>> support in general seems larger than that of these specific scripts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless I heard strong support from multiple institutions that plan to
>>>>> maintain MS SQL support in general and these scripts in particular
>>>>> going forward, I would support Anthony's suggestion to remove the
>>>>> scripts from the 2.7 branch and move them to contrib.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Nate Angell
>>>>> Client Evangelist
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Anthony Whyte <arwhyte at umich.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> MS SQL conversion scripts were added to trunk in July 2009 (SAK-16610) and a copy resides in 2.7.x.  The script is in a rather anemic state when compared to the Oracle and MySQL conversion scripts.  Over the intervening months a few intrepid developers have added a script here and there but I assume that the current incompleteness of the 2.7.0/2.8.0 MS SQL conversion scripts is due to the fact that most developers are unfamiliar with SQL Server and hesitant to update its scripts and are also working under the assumption that it's not their responsibility to maintain these scripts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone overseeing the MS SQL scripts and if so do they plan to keep them up-to-date?  I do not recall that we plan to offer MS SQL Server support in Sakai 2.7 or a future 2.x release.  If no plan exists, I plan to remove the MS SQL script from the 2.7.x branch since it provides a false impression of community support.  Whether or not the scripts should be removed from trunk and relocated to contrib is I think an issue worth discussing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anthony
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MS SQL Server-related Jiras
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-16610  (MS SQL conversion scripts added)
>>>>>> http://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-8706 (db refactoring by G. Golden and J. Bush)
>>>>>> http://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-7002 (add MS SQL support -- open)
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