[sakai-pmc] Fwd: Edia skin manager for Sakai 10 (license incompatibility)

[Matthew Jones]

Yea, the topic of license incompatibility went really off topic. I had
draft message which mostly relates to vote as well, but will save it as a
draft for now. ;)


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Anthony Whyte <arwhyte at umich.edu> wrote:

> This portion of the discussion, which touches on questions beyond simply
> the issue of licensing, deserves its own thread.
>
> anthony whyte | its and mlibrary | university of michigan |
> arwhyte at umich.edu | 517-980-0228
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *"Kirschner, Beth" <bkirschn at umich.edu>
> *Date: *November 15, 2013 9:02:17 AM EST
> *To: *Noah Botimer <botimer at umich.edu>
> *Cc: *"sakai-pmc at collab.sakaiproject.org" <
> sakai-pmc at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> *Subject: **Re: [sakai-pmc] Edia skin manager for Sakai 10 (license
> incompatibility)*
>
> +1
>
> On Nov 14, 2013, at 9:31 PM, Noah Botimer <botimer at umich.edu> wrote:
>
> Time for my refrain...
>
>
> If it were easier to package tools for use and easier to find and install
> them, there would be a much richer ecosystem. There would be clearer demand
> (and likely corresponding support of some type) for the popular additions,
> giving insight into the things that are extremely well adopted (suggesting
> potential inclusion in a base distribution).
>
>
> Basically, if contrib were better supported, base inclusion would be less
> attractive, and yet easier to execute when warranted. I consider that to be
> the more interesting problem.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Noah
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2013, at 8:50 PM, Matthew Jones wrote:
>
>
> I was going to send out an email after Mark's question on that thread
> "what are the criteria for inclusion?". I couldn't find any
> defined/documented criteria other than really old stuff from 2005/2006.
>
>
> The only tool addition we've had to Sakai since 2.7 (when the Product
> Council added a number of tools [1]) was Lessons in 2.9. This was basically
> a unanimous inclusion with strong support, running everywhere and no
> disagreement. There were no new tools in 2.8. From the 2.7 tool review the
> comment there was
>
>
> "I'm also uneasy that we have relatively little in the way of objective
> criteria for the PC just yet, and we have not extended our review very
>
> far in directions in which we've been weak in the past (e.g.
> accessibility). " - Clay Fenlason
>
>
> A few weeks ago I'd mentioned considering parts of the Apereo incubation
> process for new tool inclusion but Steve didn't agree with that.
>
>
> "We don't need incubation for tool promotions unless we as the PMC
> recommend it - ie the project was very new or we saw issues with it that
> needed to be worked through, or if the developer wanted it themselves. But
> of course that will slow things down." - Steve Swinsburg
>
>
> While I don't think we need to go consider all parts of this incubation,
> reviewing things like this (licensing), i18n (at least that the tool
> supports language bundles), that the tool is running in production in X
> institutions and that it will be supported by someone at least up to the
> release I'd consider minimal criteria. Accessibility and UI consistency [2]
> would also be nice to consider if the tool is going to be used by
> non-admins, as this is something we hear pretty often and difficult to fix
> later.
>
>
> Once a tool gets in, it seems very unlikely to get out, and it often
> requires long term maintenance from the community. New tools that provide
> useful functionality or those that replace unsupported legacy tools which
> will bring new adopters or increase the value to existing institutions are
> great for core Sakai.
>
>
> [1]
> http://sakai-project-mail-list-archives.1343168.n2.nabble.com/Product-Council-2-7-Tools-Capabilities-Brief-td4046887.html
>
> [2]
> http://collab.sakaiproject.org/pipermail/sakai-user/2013-July/003530.html
>
>
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