[Building Sakai] Sakai 10 Font Size Improvement

Wed Jan 15 12:13:50 PST 2014

Responsive design is going to be useful indeed. But to  make a skin
'responsive' I think we need a good baseline skin with great readability
and visual appeal.
Every now and then we hear from various sources that this LMS should be
tried and more often than not it is the visual appeal that user refer to
instead of functionality.
While Sakai is extremely feature rich and more on the way, IMHO skin
could use some major improvement coming year.
Considering Sakai 10 will be start going production later this year I am
looking forward to having a more appealing/readable fonts/icons/color
scheems/html component size and other adornments.
Regards,
Mustansar
On 01/15/2014 07:52 AM, Neal Caidin wrote:
> Are you thinking about something like Responsive Design -
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design ?
>
> -- Neal
>
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>> Mustansar Mehmood <mailto:mm3 at rice.edu>
>> January 14, 2014 at 4:46 PM
>> These are great ideas based on response I read I think here the points
>> to take home from this discussion so far.
>>
>> 1-Typography is just one part of the puzzle to improve readability and
>> visual appeal and there are going to varied size and resolution of
>> screens no matter what(Like always:))
>> 2-We need a skin that is somehow(automatically or property/parameter
>> settings ) adjusts typography as well as rendering of other HTML
>> components such as input boxes etc not just the font size
>> 3-Perhaps same Skin should be releases in a few separate versions
>> addressing different subset of resolutions/sizes
>> Regards,
>> Mustansar
>>
>>
>>
>> mark.reilly <mailto:mark.reilly at nyu.edu>
>> January 14, 2014 at 4:00 PM
>> This is a skin question.
>>
>> I would go with a responsive typography to adjust the base font size in
>> relation to your screen size. You don't want to have a huge font size
>> on a
>> small screen and have to scroll like crazy.
>>
>> Here's a quick overview.
>> http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2012/10/a-simple-guide-to-responsive-typography/
>>
>> To find an appropriate font-size for your screen size you'll need to
>> use the
>> line measure (length). The line measure for body copy is between 50-75
>> characters is the standard best practice.
>>
>> Fluid Type
>> http://trentwalton.com/2012/06/19/fluid-type/
>>
>> This is a fairly hot topic in web design at the moment os various
>> approaches
>> are being used. There are a few new units in CSS that are helping,
>> rem and
>> viewport units.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mark
>>
>> Mark Reilly, PhD
>> User Experience Designer
>> Academic Technology Services - ITS
>> New York University
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>> Diego del Blanco Orobitg <mailto:diego.delblanco.sakai at gmail.com>
>> January 14, 2014 at 3:29 AM
>> And do you need to think that sakai is used all around the world
>> where maybe computers (including desktop screens) are not so updated...
>>
>> Anyway... this is a skin question. So you can change in your
>> institutional skin the fonts if you want. It´s very easy. 
>>
>> But I think that should be good to give the user the freedom of
>> select from various skins, one of them can be low resolution skin and
>> then we can have better fonts.  When I was at my previous position we
>> did that for a customer for accessibility needs, we created several
>> skins with high contrast and big fonts and then, the user was able to
>> change the skin. 
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>> Diego
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>> Matthew Jones <mailto:matthew at longsight.com>
>> January 13, 2014 at 6:51 PM
>> Yea, I agree, I'd also be skeptical at the moment. It still looks
>> like most common resolution in PCs notebooks at present is 1368x768.
>> Only newer (2013) Macbooks and higher end PC's, where you usually
>> have to pay more for the option, currently are higher than this. So
>> probably something like 50% at the most common 1368x768 & 1440x900
>> and 25% at something higher and 25% lower than this.
>>
>> I can see maybe new computers in 2014 (hopefully) pushing for higher
>> resolutions as people upgrade, but I also think that the
>> mobile/tablet market (where resolution is high but overall size is
>> small) will be gaining in dominance. So I can for sure imagine ~4K on
>> a 7 and 9 inch displays (which are now generally 1920x1200 /
>> 2560x1600). But probably not catching on as fast on larger notebook
>> displays?
>>
>> Something to keep an eye on, and make sure the mobile portal renders
>> and looks nice!
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>> David McIntyre <mailto:david.mcintyre at stanford.edu>
>> January 13, 2014 at 6:39 PM
>> With respect, many of our students, staff, and faculty access Sakai
>> on laptops, which have not quite caught up to 1080p. I don't think
>> the laptop market has quite caught up to that screen resolution just yet.
>>
>> -- 
>> David McIntyre
>> Stanford University
>> Library Technology
>> CourseWork QA Lead
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From: *"Mustansar Mehmood" <mm3 at rice.edu>
>> *To: *"sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org Dev"
>> <sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org>
>> *Sent: *Monday, January 13, 2014 2:48:32 PM
>> *Subject: *[Building Sakai] Sakai 10 Font Size Improvement
>>
>> Hi
>> Since 1080P is a ubiquitous size of screens and other higher
>> resolution display are present and on their way(4K). I think it is a
>> good idea to introduce
>> fonts that are more suitable than fonts that  are suitable for lower
>> resolutions such as 1200X800 and 768X1024 etc
>> Though statistics(http://www.hobo-web.co.uk/best-screen-size/)
>> suggest that
>>  Lower resolution displays are in majority but  in my opinion
>> educational institutions and students tend to have relatively modern
>> screens.
>> I think Sakai could use larger and higher resolution fonts to enhance
>> readability and aesthetic appeal.
>> I have created a Jira (
>> https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-25538) around this issue but
>> I would like to hear community commentary about the issue.
>> Regards,
>> Mustansar
>> -- 
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>> Educational System Developer& Integrator
>>
>> Information Technology
>> 6100 Main St. MS 119
>> Houston Texas 77005
>>
>> Phone:(713)348-2523
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>> email:mustansar at rice.edu
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>> I have yet to see any problem, however complicated, which, when,you
>> looked at it in the right way, did not become still more complicated.
>> -- Poul Anderson
>>
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Mustansar Mehmood
Educational System Developer& Integrator

Information Technology  
6100 Main St. MS 119
Houston Texas 77005

Phone:(713)348-2523
Fax  :(713)348 6099 
email:mustansar at rice.edu

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