[Building Sakai] Change the Sakai CLE release date policy ?

[Earle Nietzel]

Would like to also add some comments to this thread, specifically on the
points mentioned at:

Why are we moving away from Sakai?

*Accessibility*

Sakai has accessibility features on par with the rest of the major LMS's,
one of the reasons that Sakai has not been as vocal about is that there is no
official section 508 certification
<http://www.section508.gov/blog/2014-05-08/common-misconception-section-508-certification>.
There was at one point on the canvas website saying they were 508 certified
which looks to be now removed. With that said Sakai does aim to support
accessibility, and we need to be more vocal about it on the Sakai website
<http://sakaiproject.org/accessibility>. But if you want to only believe
whats on the canvas website well there is not much to talk about then!

*Tool integration* (claims: Sakai’s LTI is limited, at best)

Sakai has LTI 2 support is in Sakai 10
<https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-24180>!
Canvas doesn't have LTI 2 support
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/canvas-lms-users/61hy61pHWqo>
though they have given presentations
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7_6rRdv_oQ> on it!

*Frequency of Updates* (claims: Sakai has not had significant updates in
years)

Sakai receives updates and bug fixes every day you just have to look.
2.9.0 <https://jira.sakaiproject.org/issues/?filter=14979> 600 changes
2.9.1 <https://jira.sakaiproject.org/issues/?filter=14980> 106 changes
2.9.2 <https://jira.sakaiproject.org/issues/?filter=14981> 137 changes

2.9.3 <https://jira.sakaiproject.org/issues/?filter=14982> 88 changes

10.0 <https://jira.sakaiproject.org/issues/?filter=14978> 404 changes
10.1 <https://jira.sakaiproject.org/issues/?filter=14370> 141 changes
(currently, releasing soon so this will increase)

*Mobile Strategy* (claims: Sakai does not have a mobile strategy to speak
of)

Sakai has has a mobile web portal for a while though it was an off shoot of
the velocity portal that is controlled by a separate set of templates and
it was called the "pda portal". Though the pda portal used some device
detection and could be made to render an appropriate view for a device(s)
and while its implementation was typical a few years ago it is
fundamentally flawed as there is just to much engineering required for this
approach. The web has since moved to repsonsive ui's which is a better
approach and doesn't require as much engineering. Sakai 11 will have a
responisve ui in all its glory! Thanks to the work of many but you can
check out this presentation
<http://youtu.be/-b5pj0Cz16s?list=PLJ4kUcSlaiqHdR1AdjuyYC0bC09IsxVaV>.

We all need to make decisions and I feel that the blog post mentioned in
this email thread is an attempt to justify their decision for moving to
another LMS other than Sakai. Most of the information in that blog supports
that organizations intentions, and are not factual as have been refuted
above.

Sincerely,
Earle Nietzel
Member of the Sakai Community / Asahi Net Int


On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:36 AM, <yleny at laposte.net> wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> Maybe Sakai CLE developpers need to change the release date policy because
> of this example :
> I found this blog post when I made research about Sakai CLE and I think
> that Sakai CLE developpers need to read it to improve Sakai CLE for a
> better LMS for the users.
>
> The LMS Transition Initiative
> http://wheel.ucdavis.edu/lms/
> extract :
> "Frequency of Updates. Sakai has not had significant updates in years
> (only bug fixes), and the fixes that do occur are annual, which is not
> frequently enough. The LMS candidates that we are investigating update
> tools, add functionality, and address bugs much more frequently."
>
> When you take a look at all official releases of Sakai CLE web page (that
> I have created), grouped by branch in reverse chronological order:
> Sakai Release Date list
> https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/DOC/Sakai+Release+Date+list
> you can see that users neeed to wait 3 months for a minor release (2.9.x)
> and 10 months between a major release (from 2.9.3 to 2.10.0) and  it's only
> 2 months between a minor release for Moodle.
> All official releases of Moodle, grouped by branch in reverse
> chronological order:
> http://docs.moodle.org/dev/Releases
>
> For the to support policy, you can compare these two tables :
> For Moodle  :
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moodle#Releases
> and
> for Sakai CLE
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakai_CLE#Releases
>
> Is it possible to have a minor release every two months to fix the bugs,
> to have minor improvements and to have the latest translations ?
>
> Best regards
>
> Yannick
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earle,
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