[Building Sakai] unchoosable groups

[Jim Mezzanotte]

+1 for hiding groups--we've had several people asking about groups
generated from Lessons conditional release. The idea of managing
hidden groups from Site Info also makes sense. Adding to Bryan's
suggestion, maybe the "hidden" setting for Lesson builder groups could
be checked by default. Then you could just toggle the setting for any
troubleshooting purposes.

Jim Mezzanotte
Asahi Net International



On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Diego del Blanco Orobitg
<diego.delblanco.sakai at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Charles... this is a very, very requested feature about the lessons
> groups behavior. There are a lot of people asking for hiding these groups.
>
> How to do it... I don't know the best approach, but I'm sure this will make
> a lot of people happy!
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> 2014-03-31 17:58 GMT+02:00 Bryan Holladay <holladay at longsight.com>:
>
>> I think the concept of hidden groups is a feature that should be added to
>> the group settings page.  Just add a simple checkbox to make the group
>> hidden or not by a group property (not "lessonbuild_ref", but something more
>> generic) plus a new realm permission like "groups.view.hidden".  One
>> difference I would make is having hidden groups still selectable if you have
>> the "groups.view.hidden" permission.  For instance, msgcntr added an
>> internal hidden groups feature that was to address some FERPA concerns  This
>> allows instructors to send messages to these groups while preventing
>> students in the class from seeing that these groups exist.  However, the
>> "hidden groups" values were tracked in msgcntr, so it wasn't applicable for
>> other tools.  It'd be nice to have one central place to set a hidden flag
>> for a group, especially since "hidden groups" is already a feature for
>> msgcntr in Sakai.
>>
>> -Bryan
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Charles Hedrick <hedrick at rutgers.edu>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Lessons uses groups to control release of tests, assignments and forum
>>> topics. This is used to a kind of conditional release, though the situations
>>> used are different than those in the actual conditional release code. Some
>>> users object to seeing these groups in “manage groups” and in group-aware
>>> tools. The format of the group name is “Access: <assignment name>” though
>>> that can now be changed in messages.properties.
>>>
>>> I can make groups not appear in Mange Groups by omitting the
>>> group_prop_wsetup_created property. But it still appears in group-aware
>>> tools.
>>>
>>> I am reluctant to do this change at all, since hiding these groups would
>>> make difficulties hard to diagnose, but if someone wants it, the most
>>> practical approach seems to be another group property, which would make the
>>> groups not choosable in group-aware tools. I don’t want to make them
>>> completely invisible, since someone looking at a test should probably be
>>> able to see that release is controlled by Lessons. Does it make sense to
>>> people to add an invisible group property, and supply patches for the
>>> group-awrae tools? I’d make this a site.properties setting.
>>>
>>> (We do now set a group property anyway, “lessonbuilder_ref”. So we really
>>> only need patches to the group-aware tools to not show such groups with this
>>> property set if a site.properties setting says not to.
>>>
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