[Building Sakai] [Using Sakai] Hidden Groups in Msgcntr

[Bryan Holladay]

Here's the jira for adding hidden groups:
https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/MSGCNTR-438

Its part of sakai 2.9.x.  There are screen shots and user cases in that
jira.  Even a permissions page for msgcntr.

-Bryan




On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Maurer, Christopher Wayne <
chmaurer at iupui.edu> wrote:

>  Adam,
> I guess you aren't allowed to see hidden groups!  ;)
>
>  Chris
>
>   From: Adam Marshall <adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk>
> Date: Friday, May 10, 2013 9:25 AM
> To: Bryan Holladay <holladay at longsight.com>, "Sakai Development (
> sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org)" <sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org>,
> sakai-user <sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>, "Wagner, Michelle R." <
> wagnermr at iupui.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Building Sakai] [Using Sakai] Hidden Groups in Msgcntr
>
>   What is a hidden group? I aint not never ever heard of it.****
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> adam****
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> *From:* sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [
> mailto:sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org<sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *Bryan Holladay
> *Sent:* 10 May 2013 14:02
> *To:* Sakai Development (sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org); sakai-user;
> Wagner, Michelle R.
> *Subject:* [Using Sakai] Hidden Groups in Msgcntr****
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> https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/MSGCNTR-773****
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> Michelle Wagner and I have been discussing this jira and how to correctly
> resolve it's functionality.  We've decided to field this out to the
> community to see if there are any other good points we haven't thought of.
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> Issues:****
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> -A hidden group will show in the "From" field to all users, including user
> who shouldn't see hidden groups and are allowed to reply to that group.***
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> Questions:****
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> -Should we just for BCC's for hidden groups?****
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> -Who should be able to view the hidden group name if it's in the "to" list?
> -Should it be possible to reply all to the group?****
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> Thoughts:****
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> -If the instructor wanted to hide the group to the recipients, why doesn't
> she/he put the hidden group in the BCC field?  Do we want to remove this
> functionality and never allow hidden groups to be in the normal "To" field,
> or automatically move the hidden groups from the "To" field to the "Bcc"
> field?  Would it be confusing if the "To" field didn't have the hidden
> groups and you have to look for them in the "Bcc" field?  Or visa versa,
> that they end up getting sent as Bcc even though you selected "To".****
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> -If we don't force the BCC, then do we need to scrub the hidden groups to
> something like "undisclosed recipients" to all users who can't see the
> hidden groups?  Do we restrict the reply-all for hidden groups?  Obviously,
> if you don't and a student replies to a hidden group, they will essentially
> be exposing themselves as a member of that group (probably unintentionally).
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> -Devil's advocate?  What if the instructor wants a group discussion?  Or
> other possible scenarios where you want to be able to reply.****
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> We are leaning towards forcing the BCC, either automatically, or by
> removing it from the "To" field list.  This would also address all the
> "reply-all" and the "undisclosed recipients issue"****
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> Any additional viewpoints would be appreciated.****
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> Thanks,****
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> Bryan****
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