[Building Sakai] issue with grade book, lessons, asssignment/samigo

[Daniel Merino]

Hi. There is a proposal of José Mariano Luján about this topic in 
LSNBLDR-141 comments.

https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/LSNBLDR-141?focusedCommentId=178549&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-178549

+1 to give users the choice about if Lessons groups should be visible or 
not.

Thanks.
Best regards.

El 01/07/2013 6:28, Steve Swinsburg escribió:
> Which providers are you referring to? Signup does a similar thing with groups. site manage looks for a specially named property and ignores it if not set ( though there is a display bug). I think other tools respect the prop too but I am not 100% on that, away from source.
>
> Cheers
> Steve
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 01/07/2013, at 7:59, Hedrick Charles <hedrick at rutgers.edu> wrote:
>
>> Makes sense. But we still need to add code to the existing providers. Is that something that sounds feasible for 2.9.3?
>>
>> On Jun 30, 2013, at 4:52:59 PM, Steve Swinsburg <steve.swinsburg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Why don't you use a group property to distinguish groups from each other?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 01/07/2013, at 5:28, Hedrick Charles <hedrick at rutgers.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've just finished implementing SAK-19668 for Lessons. My implement has no architectural issues. However in the course of doing it, i noticed a design problem.
>>>>
>>>> Lessons uses groups to control release of items if the instructor declares pre requites. It is common say that you can't take the quiz on a unit until you've contributed to a forum and submitted an assignment. In this case the quiz is modified so it is released only to a group whose membership is controlled by Lessons. As people become eligible, they are added to the group.
>>>>
>>>> This creates a problem with the new grade book. It is very likely that you want to include the quiz in everyone's grade computation, even if they haven't gotten to it. You surely want the final grade to reflect the fact that someone didn't finish the lesson. But currently if a quiz is controlled by Lessons, it will show in Samigo as not released to the student until lthe student meets the perquisites.
>>>>
>>>> The groups are currently identifiable by a specific prefix in their group name. The current test is
>>>> g.getTitle().startsWith("Access: ")
>>>> This is less than ideal: it's not internationalized, and clutters the Group tool. But that's all I could do initially.
>>>>
>>>> For 2.9.3, I see two possibilities:
>>>> * fix the existing providers so they ignore these access groups
>>>> * let sites disable the whole feature in Lessons. I doubt most site will like that, however.
>>>> Fixing the providers should be trivial, but either someone has to go through them all, or it will require cooperation by several maintainers.
>>>>
>>>> For 2.10, it would be nice if we had a way to designate groups as this special kind of group.
>>>>
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