[Building Sakai] Sakai and turnitin Integration - major development

Adrian Fish adrian.r.fish at gmail.com
Mon Feb 18 13:50:20 PST 2013 

There are two Assignments tools for Moodle: one that does TII and one that
doesn't. It's confusing and a source of constant complaint from our Moodle
devs. It's good that we have a direct integration into one tool; an LTI
tool would just break the workflow, IMHO.

Cheers,
Adrian.


On 18 February 2013 17:20, Adam Marshall <adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

>  My colleague Jill attended the Turnitin UK user group last Friday and
> asked me to pass along this report to interested parties.****
>
> ** **
>
> Adam****
>
> ** **
>
> +++++++++****
>
> ** **
>
> TII  the following:****
>
> ** **
>
> - The new Turnitin API will be available tomorrow, Tuesday 19 Feb.****
>
> ** **
>
> - The Java SDK that they are writing will be available in March 2013.****
>
> ** **
>
> - They are not re-writing the Sakai Content Review that will be required
> to 'talk to' the Java SDK - the Sakai community will have to write that.**
> **
>
> ** **
>
> - They are planning to launch the LTI tool in Sept 2013. (They mentioned
> that some LTI 'components' will be available sooner....??) ****
>
> ** **
>
> - They will maintain support for the current and new Turnitin APIs until
> at least Sept 2014.****
>
> ** **
>
> - They did not discuss any technical details of the LTI tool and how (or
> if) it will write grades back to Sakai.****
>
> ** **
>
> There were lots of questions about the integrations with Blackboard and
> Moodle, but little else about Sakai. The CEO Will Murray confirmed in a
> private comment to me that Sakai is a strategic partner and that iParadigms
> has a good relationship with the Sakai community.****
>
> ** **
>
> The Sakai community needs to coordinate who will take forward the task to
> re-write Content Review. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Kind regards****
>
> Jill****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Adam Marshall [mailto:adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk]
> *Sent:* 11 February 2013 17:55
> *To:* wl-team at weblearn.ox.ac.uk
> *Subject:* Sakai and turnitin Integration - major development****
>
> ** **
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bush [mailto:john.bush at rsmart.com <john.bush at rsmart.com>]
> Sent: 11 February 2013 17:24
> To: Steve Swinsburg; Adam Marshall
> Cc: Charles Hedrick; sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org; Sakai-Dev
> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] Sakai and turnitin Integration - major
> development
>
> FYI, we received this response from Turnitin folks when we inquired about
> some of the concerns that have been discussed in this thread.
>
> -------------------------
>
> Our apologies for the confusion and concern that has been generated in the
> Sakai community. The Turnitin team does not have any formal plans to
> generate a new version of a Sakai integration, nor
> retire our support for any current integrations. Internally we have
> begun discussing whether an LTI design/option would be desirable to the
> Sakai community, and this information was miscommunicated externally. We
> are also considering if we will offer code that leverages the Turnitin Java
> SDK, being launched this spring. We will will work with the Sakai community
> to determine the best course of action.
>
>
> Further, we will continue to support all integrations on our legacy API
> for the time being. We expect it will take a couple years for our customers
> and partners to migrate to one of our new tools. As such, we have no
> timeline for formal retirement of our support for the legacy API. When we
> do begin to end of life our legacy API, we will be communicating with our
> integrators at least a year in advance.
>
>
> Please let us know if you have any further questions.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ashley Ronen
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Steve Swinsburg <
> steve.swinsburg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Some time ago, and probably on the same TII API, I wrote an integration
> for a different assignment service which was just what you describe. There
> was no assignment synchronisation between client and TII, everything went
> to the one 'global' assignment in TII for the institution, and the client
> end didn't care. All it saw was the score of a document that had been
> checked, and or its status for checking. No one ever went to the TII
> interface for the assignment, everyone went through the client. So unless
> they have made things more difficult, this sort of integration is pretty
> simple.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > On 23/01/2013, at 2:15 AM, Charles Hedrick <hedrick at rutgers.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> I agree that the kind of LTI support they're talking about would not be
> of interest to us. Does anyone have good enough contact to find
> documentation for the new API? It sounds to me like the Sakai community
> will have to write support for it. I agree that it probably shouldn't be a
> problem.
> >>
> >> I don't much like the current integration, but I suspect that the new
> one will be just as bad. What we really want is for them just to check
> documents. Synchronizing our assignments with their is a never-ending
> source of trouble. I'd rather see an integration that just sends documents
> and gets back reports.
> >>
> >> Are there any other services with similar functionality?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:05 AM, David Horwitz <david.horwitz at uct.ac.za>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> First I've heard of this - iParadigm did a fair amount of work on
> >>> Content Review last year so this surprises me ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> D
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 12:44 +0000, Adam Marshall wrote:
> >>>> It depends what you mean by "the new API".
> >>>>
> >>>> They are currently writing a "brand new API" which will replace the
> current API. By all accounts it doesn't have the same Service endpoints so
> the code that Sakai uses to talk to Turnitin will have to be rewritten. I
> have no idea whether this a big or small job.
> >>>>
> >>>> The current API will be withdrawn at some point.
> >>>>
> >>>> adam
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Steve Swinsburg [mailto:steve.swinsburg at gmail.com<steve.swinsburg at gmail.com>]
>
> >>>> Sent: 22 January 2013 12:28
> >>>> To: Adam Marshall
> >>>> Cc: sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] Sakai and turnitin Integration - major
> >>>> development
> >>>>
> >>>> Surely an integration could be written for the new API, they aren't
> withdrawing that as well are they? That would be suicide.
> >>>>
> >>>> The integration only needs to be fairly lightweight, doesn't sound
> like a huge task.
> >>>>
> >>>> The LTI option doesn't sound great, most LMS's would have an
> assignments tool already, why embed another one when what you really want
> is an integration!?
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> Steve
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On 22/01/2013, at 22:05, Adam Marshall <adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I sent this to sakai-dev yesterday but got absolutely no response so
> thought I would post it here to open up discussion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As I understand it there will come a time in the near future when
> iParadigms withdraw the current Content Review API which will mean there
> will be no Turnitin integration with either Assignments 1 or Assignments 2.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It looks like iParadigms will recommend that we use IMS LTI to
> achieve integration.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My understanding of this is that if one wants to check for
> plagiarism, then one will have to set up assignments within the Turnitin
> site. This will mean no calendar integration and two separate 'Assignment
> tools': there will be the current Assignments Tool (with no content review)
> and a new LTI Tool with plagiarism checking but no Calendar or other Sakai
> integration. For assignments that use the content review service, students
> will still be able to submit their assignment by clicking on a link in
> Sakai but will end up outside of Sakai on the Turnitin site.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Sakai community needs a plan - does anybody have any comments?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> adam
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We asked iParadigms:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [....] please could you let me know what the progress is on the
> development of the new TII API, and what date you envisage it will be
> available.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We need to plan what aspects of the current Sakai integration we
> should work on, and schedule when we will be able to test against the new
> TII API.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also just a reminder that the EuroSakai conference is taking place
> in Paris next week (28-30 Jan), and our team will be organising a 'Birds of
> a Feather' session to talk about the Sakai Assignments tools 1 and 2. It
> would be good to have more concrete information about the new TII API and
> what the improvements will be.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They responded:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Progress has been very good and the new API is still currently
> scheduled to be launched towards the end of next month/beginning of March.
> However we will not be re-writing the Sakai integration against the new API
> as such, we will be writing an LTI component (IMS global standard) for the
> new Sakai integration and this is in the plan for this summer! So in around
> 6 months time. I hope this will fit into your plans as we would advise
> against doing any custom work, due to our plans for LTI with a view to
> release in the summer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Unfortunately that probably won't be possible to send someone. I can
> still speak to the team though and let you know otherwise if we can. I am
> at the BETT show on those dates so won't be able to attend.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I hope this helps.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards
> >>>>> Mark
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Mark Harnor
> >>>>> Business Development Manager
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Turnitin is a Registered product of iParadigms Europe Limited which
> is a wholly owned subsidiary of iParadigms LLC. iParadigms Europe Limited
> is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 07321841.
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> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Steve Swinsburg <
> steve.swinsburg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Some time ago, and probably on the same TII API, I wrote an integration
> for a different assignment service which was just what you describe. There
> was no assignment synchronisation between client and TII, everything went
> to the one 'global' assignment in TII for the institution, and the client
> end didn't care. All it saw was the score of a document that had been
> checked, and or its status for checking. No one ever went to the TII
> interface for the assignment, everyone went through the client. So unless
> they have made things more difficult, this sort of integration is pretty
> simple.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > On 23/01/2013, at 2:15 AM, Charles Hedrick <hedrick at rutgers.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> I agree that the kind of LTI support they're talking about would not be
> of interest to us. Does anyone have good enough contact to find
> documentation for the new API? It sounds to me like the Sakai community
> will have to write support for it. I agree that it probably shouldn't be a
> problem.
> >>
> >> I don't much like the current integration, but I suspect that the new
> one will be just as bad. What we really want is for them just to check
> documents. Synchronizing our assignments with their is a never-ending
> source of trouble. I'd rather see an integration that just sends documents
> and gets back reports.
> >>
> >> Are there any other services with similar functionality?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:05 AM, David Horwitz <david.horwitz at uct.ac.za>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> First I've heard of this - iParadigm did a fair amount of work on
> >>> Content Review last year so this surprises me ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> D
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 12:44 +0000, Adam Marshall wrote:
> >>>> It depends what you mean by "the new API".
> >>>>
> >>>> They are currently writing a "brand new API" which will replace the
> current API. By all accounts it doesn't have the same Service endpoints so
> the code that Sakai uses to talk to Turnitin will have to be rewritten. I
> have no idea whether this a big or small job.
> >>>>
> >>>> The current API will be withdrawn at some point.
> >>>>
> >>>> adam
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Steve Swinsburg [mailto:steve.swinsburg at gmail.com<steve.swinsburg at gmail.com>]
>
> >>>> Sent: 22 January 2013 12:28
> >>>> To: Adam Marshall
> >>>> Cc: sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] Sakai and turnitin Integration - major
> >>>> development
> >>>>
> >>>> Surely an integration could be written for the new API, they aren't
> withdrawing that as well are they? That would be suicide.
> >>>>
> >>>> The integration only needs to be fairly lightweight, doesn't sound
> like a huge task.
> >>>>
> >>>> The LTI option doesn't sound great, most LMS's would have an
> assignments tool already, why embed another one when what you really want
> is an integration!?
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> Steve
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On 22/01/2013, at 22:05, Adam Marshall <adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I sent this to sakai-dev yesterday but got absolutely no response so
> thought I would post it here to open up discussion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As I understand it there will come a time in the near future when
> iParadigms withdraw the current Content Review API which will mean there
> will be no Turnitin integration with either Assignments 1 or Assignments 2.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It looks like iParadigms will recommend that we use IMS LTI to
> achieve integration.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My understanding of this is that if one wants to check for
> plagiarism, then one will have to set up assignments within the Turnitin
> site. This will mean no calendar integration and two separate 'Assignment
> tools': there will be the current Assignments Tool (with no content review)
> and a new LTI Tool with plagiarism checking but no Calendar or other Sakai
> integration. For assignments that use the content review service, students
> will still be able to submit their assignment by clicking on a link in
> Sakai but will end up outside of Sakai on the Turnitin site.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Sakai community needs a plan - does anybody have any comments?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> adam
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We asked iParadigms:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [....] please could you let me know what the progress is on the
> development of the new TII API, and what date you envisage it will be
> available.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We need to plan what aspects of the current Sakai integration we
> should work on, and schedule when we will be able to test against the new
> TII API.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also just a reminder that the EuroSakai conference is taking place
> in Paris next week (28-30 Jan), and our team will be organising a 'Birds of
> a Feather' session to talk about the Sakai Assignments tools 1 and 2. It
> would be good to have more concrete information about the new TII API and
> what the improvements will be.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They responded:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Progress has been very good and the new API is still currently
> scheduled to be launched towards the end of next month/beginning of March.
> However we will not be re-writing the Sakai integration against the new API
> as such, we will be writing an LTI component (IMS global standard) for the
> new Sakai integration and this is in the plan for this summer! So in around
> 6 months time. I hope this will fit into your plans as we would advise
> against doing any custom work, due to our plans for LTI with a view to
> release in the summer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Unfortunately that probably won't be possible to send someone. I can
> still speak to the team though and let you know otherwise if we can. I am
> at the BETT show on those dates so won't be able to attend.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I hope this helps.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards
> >>>>> Mark
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Mark Harnor
> >>>>> Business Development Manager
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Turnitin is a Registered product of iParadigms Europe Limited which
> is a wholly owned subsidiary of iParadigms LLC. iParadigms Europe Limited
> is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 07321841.
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> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Steve Swinsburg <
> steve.swinsburg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Some time ago, and probably on the same TII API, I wrote an integration
> for a different assignment service which was just what you describe. There
> was no assignment synchronisation between client and TII, everything went
> to the one 'global' assignment in TII for the institution, and the client
> end didn't care. All it saw was the score of a document that had been
> checked, and or its status for checking. No one ever went to the TII
> interface for the assignment, everyone went through the client. So unless
> they have made things more difficult, this sort of integration is pretty
> simple.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > On 23/01/2013, at 2:15 AM, Charles Hedrick <hedrick at rutgers.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> I agree that the kind of LTI support they're talking about would not be
> of interest to us. Does anyone have good enough contact to find
> documentation for the new API? It sounds to me like the Sakai community
> will have to write support for it. I agree that it probably shouldn't be a
> problem.
> >>
> >> I don't much like the current integration, but I suspect that the new
> one will be just as bad. What we really want is for them just to check
> documents. Synchronizing our assignments with their is a never-ending
> source of trouble. I'd rather see an integration that just sends documents
> and gets back reports.
> >>
> >> Are there any other services with similar functionality?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:05 AM, David Horwitz <david.horwitz at uct.ac.za>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> First I've heard of this - iParadigm did a fair amount of work on
> >>> Content Review last year so this surprises me ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> D
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 12:44 +0000, Adam Marshall wrote:
> >>>> It depends what you mean by "the new API".
> >>>>
> >>>> They are currently writing a "brand new API" which will replace the
> current API. By all accounts it doesn't have the same Service endpoints so
> the code that Sakai uses to talk to Turnitin will have to be rewritten. I
> have no idea whether this a big or small job.
> >>>>
> >>>> The current API will be withdrawn at some point.
> >>>>
> >>>> adam
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Steve Swinsburg [mailto:steve.swinsburg at gmail.com<steve.swinsburg at gmail.com>]
>
> >>>> Sent: 22 January 2013 12:28
> >>>> To: Adam Marshall
> >>>> Cc: sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] Sakai and turnitin Integration - major
> >>>> development
> >>>>
> >>>> Surely an integration could be written for the new API, they aren't
> withdrawing that as well are they? That would be suicide.
> >>>>
> >>>> The integration only needs to be fairly lightweight, doesn't sound
> like a huge task.
> >>>>
> >>>> The LTI option doesn't sound great, most LMS's would have an
> assignments tool already, why embed another one when what you really want
> is an integration!?
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> Steve
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On 22/01/2013, at 22:05, Adam Marshall <adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I sent this to sakai-dev yesterday but got absolutely no response so
> thought I would post it here to open up discussion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As I understand it there will come a time in the near future when
> iParadigms withdraw the current Content Review API which will mean there
> will be no Turnitin integration with either Assignments 1 or Assignments 2.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It looks like iParadigms will recommend that we use IMS LTI to
> achieve integration.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My understanding of this is that if one wants to check for
> plagiarism, then one will have to set up assignments within the Turnitin
> site. This will mean no calendar integration and two separate 'Assignment
> tools': there will be the current Assignments Tool (with no content review)
> and a new LTI Tool with plagiarism checking but no Calendar or other Sakai
> integration. For assignments that use the content review service, students
> will still be able to submit their assignment by clicking on a link in
> Sakai but will end up outside of Sakai on the Turnitin site.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Sakai community needs a plan - does anybody have any comments?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> adam
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We asked iParadigms:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [....] please could you let me know what the progress is on the
> development of the new TII API, and what date you envisage it will be
> available.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We need to plan what aspects of the current Sakai integration we
> should work on, and schedule when we will be able to test against the new
> TII API.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also just a reminder that the EuroSakai conference is taking place
> in Paris next week (28-30 Jan), and our team will be organising a 'Birds of
> a Feather' session to talk about the Sakai Assignments tools 1 and 2. It
> would be good to have more concrete information about the new TII API and
> what the improvements will be.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They responded:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Progress has been very good and the new API is still currently
> scheduled to be launched towards the end of next month/beginning of March.
> However we will not be re-writing the Sakai integration against the new API
> as such, we will be writing an LTI component (IMS global standard) for the
> new Sakai integration and this is in the plan for this summer! So in around
> 6 months time. I hope this will fit into your plans as we would advise
> against doing any custom work, due to our plans for LTI with a view to
> release in the summer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Unfortunately that probably won't be possible to send someone. I can
> still speak to the team though and let you know otherwise if we can. I am
> at the BETT show on those dates so won't be able to attend.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I hope this helps.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards
> >>>>> Mark
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Mark Harnor
> >>>>> Business Development Manager
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Turnitin is a Registered product of iParadigms Europe Limited which
> is a wholly owned subsidiary of iParadigms LLC. iParadigms Europe Limited
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> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Steve Swinsburg <
> steve.swinsburg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Some time ago, and probably on the same TII API, I wrote an integration
> for a different assignment service which was just what you describe. There
> was no assignment synchronisation between client and TII, everything went
> to the one 'global' assignment in TII for the institution, and the client
> end didn't care. All it saw was the score of a document that had been
> checked, and or its status for checking. No one ever went to the TII
> interface for the assignment, everyone went through the client. So unless
> they have made things more difficult, this sort of integration is pretty
> simple.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > On 23/01/2013, at 2:15 AM, Charles Hedrick <hedrick at rutgers.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> I agree that the kind of LTI support they're talking about would not be
> of interest to us. Does anyone have good enough contact to find
> documentation for the new API? It sounds to me like the Sakai community
> will have to write support for it. I agree that it probably shouldn't be a
> problem.
> >>
> >> I don't much like the current integration, but I suspect that the new
> one will be just as bad. What we really want is for them just to check
> documents. Synchronizing our assignments with their is a never-ending
> source of trouble. I'd rather see an integration that just sends documents
> and gets back reports.
> >>
> >> Are there any other services with similar functionality?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:05 AM, David Horwitz <david.horwitz at uct.ac.za>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> First I've heard of this - iParadigm did a fair amount of work on
> >>> Content Review last year so this surprises me ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> D
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 12:44 +0000, Adam Marshall wrote:
> >>>> It depends what you mean by "the new API".
> >>>>
> >>>> They are currently writing a "brand new API" which will replace the
> current API. By all accounts it doesn't have the same Service endpoints so
> the code that Sakai uses to talk to Turnitin will have to be rewritten. I
> have no idea whether this a big or small job.
> >>>>
> >>>> The current API will be withdrawn at some point.
> >>>>
> >>>> adam
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Steve Swinsburg [mailto:steve.swinsburg at gmail.com<steve.swinsburg at gmail.com>]
>
> >>>> Sent: 22 January 2013 12:28
> >>>> To: Adam Marshall
> >>>> Cc: sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] Sakai and turnitin Integration - major
> >>>> development
> >>>>
> >>>> Surely an integration could be written for the new API, they aren't
> withdrawing that as well are they? That would be suicide.
> >>>>
> >>>> The integration only needs to be fairly lightweight, doesn't sound
> like a huge task.
> >>>>
> >>>> The LTI option doesn't sound great, most LMS's would have an
> assignments tool already, why embed another one when what you really want
> is an integration!?
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> Steve
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On 22/01/2013, at 22:05, Adam Marshall <adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I sent this to sakai-dev yesterday but got absolutely no response so
> thought I would post it here to open up discussion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As I understand it there will come a time in the near future when
> iParadigms withdraw the current Content Review API which will mean there
> will be no Turnitin integration with either Assignments 1 or Assignments 2.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It looks like iParadigms will recommend that we use IMS LTI to
> achieve integration.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My understanding of this is that if one wants to check for
> plagiarism, then one will have to set up assignments within the Turnitin
> site. This will mean no calendar integration and two separate 'Assignment
> tools': there will be the current Assignments Tool (with no content review)
> and a new LTI Tool with plagiarism checking but no Calendar or other Sakai
> integration. For assignments that use the content review service, students
> will still be able to submit their assignment by clicking on a link in
> Sakai but will end up outside of Sakai on the Turnitin site.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Sakai community needs a plan - does anybody have any comments?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> adam
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We asked iParadigms:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [....] please could you let me know what the progress is on the
> development of the new TII API, and what date you envisage it will be
> available.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We need to plan what aspects of the current Sakai integration we
> should work on, and schedule when we will be able to test against the new
> TII API.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also just a reminder that the EuroSakai conference is taking place
> in Paris next week (28-30 Jan), and our team will be organising a 'Birds of
> a Feather' session to talk about the Sakai Assignments tools 1 and 2. It
> would be good to have more concrete information about the new TII API and
> what the improvements will be.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They responded:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Progress has been very good and the new API is still currently
> scheduled to be launched towards the end of next month/beginning of March.
> However we will not be re-writing the Sakai integration against the new API
> as such, we will be writing an LTI component (IMS global standard) for the
> new Sakai integration and this is in the plan for this summer! So in around
> 6 months time. I hope this will fit into your plans as we would advise
> against doing any custom work, due to our plans for LTI with a view to
> release in the summer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Unfortunately that probably won't be possible to send someone. I can
> still speak to the team though and let you know otherwise if we can. I am
> at the BETT show on those dates so won't be able to attend.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I hope this helps.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards
> >>>>> Mark
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Mark Harnor
> >>>>> Business Development Manager
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Turnitin is a Registered product of iParadigms Europe Limited which
> is a wholly owned subsidiary of iParadigms LLC. iParadigms Europe Limited
> is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 07321841.
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