[Building Sakai] LTI ease of use

[Matthew Jones]

SAK-22108 is implemented in trunk to do what you describe, though SAK-16600
is an extension of this to clean up that entire page since there's way too
many tools.

Having an extra button was just the fastest way to get in in there (
SAK-20899).


On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Adrian Fish <adrian.r.fish at gmail.com>wrote:

> Ah, I've woken up now. It was in site info as an extra menu item. I still
> think it would be nicer to just have them appear in the standard tools pick
> list among the other tools. Why even declare them to be external?
>
> Is anybody looking at these at the minute?
>
> Cheers,
> Adrian.
>
>
> On 20 November 2012 14:39, Matthew Jones <matthew at longsight.com> wrote:
>
>> Yea, some of it is *in* 2.9.x but hidden by (SAK-21763) because BLTI-142
>> isn't in until BasicLTI 2.1 (currently trunk). 2.9.x is using 2.0 BasicLTI.
>> There was just some usability issues with the workflow as described in that
>> jira.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Adrian Fish <adrian.r.fish at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> It's in 2.9.x as well, I think. You can add the 'External Tools' tool to
>>> the admin site via the Sites tool and then precan tools for Lessons to pick
>>> up. I'll have a look at those JIRAs, but I think it's actually in already.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20 November 2012 14:28, Matthew Jones <matthew at longsight.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Adrian,
>>>>
>>>> This sounds like the Basic LTI Admin tool that Dr. Chuck and Zhen
>>>> worked on in
>>>> https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/BLTI-121
>>>>
>>>> This was something that was in development from last year targeted for
>>>> 2.9, but usability issues and other bugs caused it to be removed. There
>>>> were options so that either only pre-configured tools (that an admin added)
>>>> could be added by instructors or to allow instructors to configure and add
>>>> their own individual.
>>>>
>>>> Some additional work was done that *looks* to put it back on track for
>>>> a later 2.9 or at least a 2.10 release.
>>>> https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/BLTI-142
>>>>
>>>> Would probably want some additional feedback from Michigan as it looks
>>>> like they've got it in their build and did most (all?) of the work on it.
>>>> On trunk, it's already in site info as "External Tools" or you can add the
>>>> tool (sakai.basiclti.admin) to some site. I don't *think* these tools
>>>> actually appear in the regular list of tools yet, though Michigan is doing
>>>> a lot of work on the tool selection process too in SAK-16600.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Adrian Fish <adrian.r.fish at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's what I meant. Sakai admins precan the LTI tool and site
>>>>> maintainers can just add them as any other tool, with no config whatsoever.
>>>>> Maybe they shouldn't even know that it is an external tool they are adding.
>>>>> That's the way Lessons does it, although they are still called External
>>>>> tools in the more tools dropdown.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Adrian.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20 November 2012 12:34, Adam Marshall <adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  One problem with allow user full control over setting up LTI
>>>>>> ‘tools’ is that they may link to unscrupulous systems that do nasty things
>>>>>> with the information that they are handed. We have taken the opinion that
>>>>>> it is a necessary evil for us admins to set up the LTI tool instances so we
>>>>>> can do basic vetting.****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We don’t really have any set rules about how to decide whether a
>>>>>> target LTI-enable application is trustworthy or not, a basic google search
>>>>>> is about as probing as we get, but we are aware that there is a potential
>>>>>> issue in this area.****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> adam****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* sakai-dev-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [mailto:
>>>>>> sakai-dev-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] *On Behalf Of *Adrian Fish
>>>>>> *Sent:* 20 November 2012 11:45
>>>>>> *To:* sakai-dev
>>>>>> *Subject:* [Building Sakai] LTI ease of use****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a way of showing the configured LTI tools in the Site Info
>>>>>> tool list, under the configured name? For instance, Panopto as 'Lecture
>>>>>> Videos'?****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know you view lti tools by configured name in Lessons but it would
>>>>>> be good to just be able to add it as any other tool with zero
>>>>>> configuration. The way the consumer currently works is the same as core
>>>>>> Moodle's, unless I'm barking up the wrong tree, and will eventually just
>>>>>> generate lots of load on Sakai admins as they add Basic LTI tools to sites.
>>>>>> Basiclti4moodle makes things a lot easier as staff can just pick the
>>>>>> activity as any other.****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can imagine this being a fair bit of work but it needs to happen if
>>>>>> Sakai's going to be a serious consumer of LTI providers.****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am I missing something?****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adrian.****
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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