[Building Sakai] Questions about Course Management
Hai Vo Thanh
v0thanhhai at yahoo.com
Thu May 3 16:21:06 PDT 2012
Hi Steve,
Hi Kevin,
The first thing is that i'm very graceful to you for giving help these days.
Second, I have still not solve my problem (>_<)
I've installed sakora-csv, and uploaded successfully sample csv files by using Quartz.
+ The users have been created successfully (this is greate for creating new users)
+ Data in csv file have been inserted into the database.
But,
+ By default, the attribute IS_CURRENT in cm_academic_session_t table is set to "0", it means the session does not show
in the session drop down list when create a course site. How can i change it default value to "1"?
+ Something i want is like this, and this is still not going :-(
Do i need to config something for these to happen?
I've already installed the edu-service. It was built successfully but i didn't see anything new in ${tomcat-home}/webapps.
It is abnormal, isn't it?
What i have to do now?
Thanks and regards,
Hai
________________________________
From: Steve Swinsburg <steve.swinsburg at gmail.com>
To: Kevin P. Foote <kpfoote at iup.edu>
Cc: Hai Vo Thanh <v0thanhhai at yahoo.com>; "sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org" <sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Building Sakai] Questions about Course Management
No worries.
I actually just use batch loading and web service/quartz integrations to fulfill all of my integration and import/export needs. The Course Management method is a little foreign to how institutions down under tend to run courses so it ends up easiest just rolling our own. Thankfully, the rest of the API has been thoughtfully designed to allow this.
There is the 'Simple SIS Services' project which you could look at to see if it meets your needs, uses the CM API.
https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/IMSES/Simple+Sakai+SIS+Services
cheers,
Steve
On 03/05/2012, at 10:31 PM, Kevin P. Foote wrote:
>
> Sweet! Thanks Steve.
>
> Obviously there has been lots of re-factoring since 2.6 so you have to
> read a bit into it when that is referenced. I believe that things
> operate in a similar fashion though..
>
> Probably Steve and perhaps Ray can add more to CM discussion at this
> point. I just know that it works and that its far superior than batch
> loading your entire SIS into full course sites for each semester.
>
> ------
> thanks
> kevin.foote
>
> On Thu, 3 May 2012, Steve Swinsburg wrote:
>
> -> Hi Hai,
> ->
> -> It's now part of edu-services which is a binary. You can get the appropriate source here:
> -> https://source.sakaiproject.org/svn//edu-services/
> ->
> -> For 2.8 you want the 1.1.x branch
> ->
> -> cheers,
> -> Steve
> ->
> ->
> -> On 03/05/2012, at 11:27 AM, Hai Vo Thanh wrote:
> ->
> -> > Hi Kevin,
> -> >
> -> > Thanks for your sharing. But i'm using sakai 2.8.1, and i can not find the course-management folder in the ${sakai-src}.
> -> > You can see this here, cm is stop at version 2.6.x https://source.sakaiproject.org/svn/course-management/
> -> > Do you have any solution for this?
> -> >
> -> > Thanks and regards,
> -> > Hai
> -> >
> -> > From: Kevin P. Foote <kpfoote at iup.edu>
> -> > To: Hai Vo Thanh <v0thanhhai at yahoo.com>
> -> > Cc: Kevin P. Foote <kpfoote at iup.edu>; "sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org" <sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> -> > Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:57 AM
> -> > Subject: Re: [Building Sakai] Questions about Course Management
> -> >
> -> >
> -> > I have a PDF on my confluence people space[1] that shows a quick over
> -> > view of what you need to do. Should be geared towards an admin. I believe
> -> > you have to login to the wiki to see this though.
> -> >
> -> > [1]
> -> > https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=80905240
> -> >
> -> > ------
> -> > thanks
> -> > kevin.foote
> -> >
> -> > On Wed, 2 May 2012, Hai Vo Thanh wrote:
> -> >
> -> > -> Hi Kevin,
> -> > ->
> -> > -> I saw it, but frankly i didn't get what it mean or how to do it.
> -> > -> Btw, could you please show me where the OOTB sakai does so that i can learn from it?
> -> > -> such as: where is the xml file, how the OOTB sakai tell the Quartz...
> -> > -> I'm new to sakai and there're a lot of techniques i do not know.
> -> > ->
> -> > -> Thank you very much. And sorry if the questions are too dumb.
> -> > ->
> -> > -> Regards,
> -> > -> Hai
> -> > ->
> -> > ->
> -> > -> ________________________________
> -> > -> From: Kevin P. Foote <kpfoote at iup.edu>
> -> > -> To: Hai Vo Thanh <v0thanhhai at yahoo.com>
> -> > -> Cc: Kevin P. Foote <kpfoote at iup.edu>; "sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org" <sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> -> > -> Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 10:56 PM
> -> > -> Subject: Re: [Building Sakai] Questions about Course Management
> -> > ->
> -> > ->
> -> > -> SIS is yes 'Student Information System' .. example Banner or other.
> -> > ->
> -> > -> Quartz is the internal Sakai scheduler tool. You can do lots of fun
> -> > -> stuff with this :-)
> -> > ->
> -> > -> Yes the basics of CM is getting your SIS data into Sakai. Writing custom
> -> > -> code that uses the CM API is a method of getting your data into Sakai.
> -> > ->
> -> > -> I believe you will have better luck using the API but you can insert
> -> > -> data into what ever tables you want :) I forget I think there are about
> -> > -> 3 or 4 cm tables.. (maybe more).
> -> > ->
> -> > -> Like I mentioned before there is an OOTB hibernate based procedure that
> -> > -> uses a self created XML file to get an initial set of your course data
> -> > -> into Sakai. This is a very good starting point.
> -> > ->
> -> > -> - you create a similar structured XML file
> -> > -> - you tell the Sakai Scheduler (Quartz) where it is.
> -> > -> - you create courses using your consumed data.
> -> > ->
> -> > -> This is shown in the wiki page you linked. Look closer at the 'tutorial'
> -> > -> section.
> -> > ->
> -> > -> ------
> -> > -> thanks
> -> > -> kevin.foote
> -> > ->
> -> > -> On Wed, 2 May 2012, Hai Vo Thanh wrote:
> -> > ->
> -> > -> -> Hi
> -> > -> ->
> -> > -> -> What is SIS? is it stand for Student Information System?
> -> > -> -> And what is "Quartz"?
> -> > -> -> Which files do i need to modify to do the thing "Implement the CM API" ?
> -> > -> -> Did you mean that what i need to do is pull data from SIS source and push it into sakai DB tables?
> -> > -> -> If yes, can i insert dirrectly data into Sakai table without caring about what CM API is?
> -> > -> -> I'm still very ambiguous :-(
> -> > -> -> Thanks and regards,
> -> > -> -> Hai
> -> > -> ->
> -> > -> -> ________________________________
> -> > -> -> From: Kevin P. Foote <kpfoote at iup.edu>
> -> > -> -> To: Hai Vo Thanh <v0thanhhai at yahoo.com>
> -> > -> -> Cc: "sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org" <sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> -> > -> -> Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 8:02 PM
> -> > -> -> Subject: Re: [Building Sakai] Questions about Course Management
> -> > -> ->
> -> > -> ->
> -> > -> -> Hi,
> -> > -> ->
> -> > -> -> Just some thoughts.
> -> > -> ->
> -> > -> -> CM is more of an integration point than a "tool".
> -> > -> ->
> -> > -> -> In a programming sense CM allows a school to wire up (integrate) back end connections
> -> > -> -> and processes to its current SIS (Banner, etc..) through database views or
> -> > -> -> other such mechanics. This is done through the CM api which allows you
> -> > -> -> to pull from your known source (SIS) and place courses and enrollments
> -> > -> -> into a Sakai database location. These are then made available as
> -> > -> -> "course" to create within Sakai.
> -> > -> ->
> -> > -> -> There are a number of ways you can do all of this with the CM interface,
> -> > -> -> all the way from programming against the CM api to setting up a few
> -> > -> -> Quartz jobs.
> -> > -> ->
> -> > -> -> A simple solution available in OOTB (last I checked) is to have Sakai
> -> > -> -> consume a standardized XML file, via Quartz, which contains all your courses
> -> > -> -> and enrollments. This should get you rolling anyway so you see how
> -> > -> -> things work a bit.
> -> > -> ->
> -> > -> -> HTH .. I'm sure others can chime in with more detail.
> -> > -> ->
> -> > -> -> ------
> -> > -> -> thanks
> -> > -> -> kevin.foote
> -> > -> ->
> -> > -> -> On Wed, 2 May 2012, Hai Vo Thanh wrote:
> -> > -> ->
> -> > -> -> -> Hi all,
> -> > -> -> ->
> -> > -> -> -> I'm not very good at coding, and new to Sakai. I've read through this article several times but still not get the point.
> -> > -> -> -> https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/SAKDEV/Course+Management+Integration
> -> > -> -> ->
> -> > -> -> ->
> -> > -> -> -> Is CM a tool? I saw some sample code in "Development approaches" section that seem need to be checked out and build?
> -> > -> -> ->
> -> > -> -> -> Which files do i need to modify to do the thing "Implement the CM API".
> -> > -> -> ->
> -> > -> -> -> Currently, what i want is like the Sakai Demo: when creating a site, we have a list of previos students to add to new site,
> -> > -> -> -> and if we choose "Add course(s) and/or section(s) not listed above...", there will be a drop down list of subject, course, section
> -> > -> -> -> to choose.
> -> > -> -> ->
> -> > -> -> -> Please help me to understand. Thank you very much. I'm usingSakai 2.8.1
> -> > -> -> ->
> -> > -> -> -> Regards,
> -> > -> -> -> Hai
> -> >
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