[Building Sakai] Questions about Course Management

[Kevin P. Foote]

Sweet! Thanks Steve.

Obviously there has been lots of re-factoring since 2.6 so you have to
read a bit into it when that is referenced. I believe that things
operate in a similar fashion though.. 

Probably Steve and perhaps Ray can add more to CM discussion at this
point. I just know that it works and that its far superior than batch
loading your entire SIS into full course sites for each semester.

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thanks
  kevin.foote

On Thu, 3 May 2012, Steve Swinsburg wrote:

-> Hi Hai,
-> 
-> It's now part of edu-services which is a binary. You can get the appropriate source here:
-> https://source.sakaiproject.org/svn//edu-services/
-> 
-> For 2.8  you want the 1.1.x branch
-> 
-> cheers,
-> Steve
-> 
-> 
-> On 03/05/2012, at 11:27 AM, Hai Vo Thanh wrote:
-> 
-> > Hi Kevin,
-> > 
-> > Thanks for your sharing. But i'm using sakai 2.8.1, and i can not find the course-management folder in the ${sakai-src}.
-> > You can see this here, cm is stop at version 2.6.x https://source.sakaiproject.org/svn/course-management/
-> > Do you have any solution for this?
-> > 
-> > Thanks and regards,
-> > Hai
-> > 
-> > From: Kevin P. Foote <kpfoote at iup.edu>
-> > To: Hai Vo Thanh <v0thanhhai at yahoo.com> 
-> > Cc: Kevin P. Foote <kpfoote at iup.edu>; "sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org" <sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org> 
-> > Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:57 AM
-> > Subject: Re: [Building Sakai] Questions about Course Management
-> > 
-> > 
-> > I have a PDF on my confluence people space[1] that shows a quick over
-> > view of what you need to do. Should be geared towards an admin. I believe
-> > you have to login to the wiki to see this though.
-> > 
-> > [1]
-> > https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=80905240
-> > 
-> > ------
-> > thanks
-> >   kevin.foote
-> > 
-> > On Wed, 2 May 2012, Hai Vo Thanh wrote:
-> > 
-> > -> Hi Kevin,
-> > -> 
-> > -> I saw it, but frankly i didn't get what it mean or how to do it.
-> > -> Btw, could you please show me where the OOTB sakai does so that i can learn from it?
-> > -> such as: where is the xml file, how the OOTB sakai tell the Quartz...
-> > -> I'm new to sakai and there're a lot of techniques i do not know.
-> > -> 
-> > -> Thank you very much. And sorry if the questions are too dumb.
-> > -> 
-> > -> Regards,
-> > -> Hai
-> > -> 
-> > -> 
-> > -> ________________________________
-> > ->  From: Kevin P. Foote <kpfoote at iup.edu>
-> > -> To: Hai Vo Thanh <v0thanhhai at yahoo.com> 
-> > -> Cc: Kevin P. Foote <kpfoote at iup.edu>; "sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org" <sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org> 
-> > -> Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 10:56 PM
-> > -> Subject: Re: [Building Sakai]  Questions about Course Management
-> > ->  
-> > -> 
-> > -> SIS is yes 'Student Information System' .. example Banner or other.
-> > -> 
-> > -> Quartz is the internal Sakai scheduler tool. You can do lots of fun
-> > -> stuff with this :-)
-> > -> 
-> > -> Yes the basics of CM is getting your SIS data into Sakai. Writing custom
-> > -> code that uses the CM API is a method of getting your data into Sakai.
-> > -> 
-> > -> I believe you will have better luck using the API but you can insert
-> > -> data into what ever tables you want :) I forget I think there are about
-> > -> 3 or 4 cm tables.. (maybe more).
-> > -> 
-> > -> Like I mentioned before there is an OOTB hibernate based procedure that
-> > -> uses a self created XML file to get an initial set of your course data
-> > -> into Sakai. This is a very good starting point. 
-> > -> 
-> > -> - you create a similar structured XML file
-> > -> - you tell the Sakai Scheduler (Quartz) where it is.
-> > -> - you create courses using your consumed data.
-> > -> 
-> > -> This is shown in the wiki page you linked. Look closer at the 'tutorial'
-> > -> section.
-> > -> 
-> > -> ------
-> > -> thanks
-> > ->   kevin.foote
-> > -> 
-> > -> On Wed, 2 May 2012, Hai Vo Thanh wrote:
-> > -> 
-> > -> -> Hi
-> > -> -> 
-> > -> -> What is SIS? is it stand for Student Information System?
-> > -> -> And what is "Quartz"?
-> > -> -> Which files do i need to modify to do the thing "Implement the CM API" ?
-> > -> -> Did you mean that what i need to do is pull data from SIS source and push it into sakai DB tables?
-> > -> -> If yes, can i insert dirrectly data into Sakai table without caring about what CM API is?
-> > -> -> I'm still very ambiguous :-(
-> > -> -> Thanks and regards,
-> > -> -> Hai
-> > -> -> 
-> > -> -> ________________________________
-> > -> ->  From: Kevin P. Foote <kpfoote at iup.edu>
-> > -> -> To: Hai Vo Thanh <v0thanhhai at yahoo.com> 
-> > -> -> Cc: "sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org" <sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org> 
-> > -> -> Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 8:02 PM
-> > -> -> Subject: Re: [Building Sakai]  Questions about Course Management
-> > -> ->  
-> > -> -> 
-> > -> -> Hi, 
-> > -> -> 
-> > -> -> Just some thoughts. 
-> > -> -> 
-> > -> -> CM is more of an integration point than a "tool". 
-> > -> -> 
-> > -> -> In a programming sense CM allows a school to wire up (integrate) back end connections 
-> > -> -> and processes to its current SIS (Banner, etc..) through database views or 
-> > -> -> other such mechanics. This is done through the CM api which allows you
-> > -> -> to pull from your known source (SIS) and place courses and enrollments
-> > -> -> into a Sakai database location. These are then made available as
-> > -> -> "course" to create within Sakai. 
-> > -> -> 
-> > -> -> There are a number of ways you can do all of this with the CM interface,
-> > -> -> all the way from programming against the CM api to setting up a few
-> > -> -> Quartz jobs. 
-> > -> -> 
-> > -> -> A simple solution available in OOTB (last I checked) is to have Sakai
-> > -> -> consume a standardized XML file, via Quartz, which contains all your courses 
-> > -> -> and enrollments. This should get you rolling anyway so you see how
-> > -> -> things work a bit. 
-> > -> -> 
-> > -> -> HTH .. I'm sure others can chime in with more detail.
-> > -> -> 
-> > -> -> ------
-> > -> -> thanks
-> > -> ->   kevin.foote
-> > -> -> 
-> > -> -> On Wed, 2 May 2012, Hai Vo Thanh wrote:
-> > -> -> 
-> > -> -> -> Hi all,
-> > -> -> -> 
-> > -> -> -> I'm not very good at coding, and new to Sakai. I've read through this article several times but still not get the point.
-> > -> -> -> https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/SAKDEV/Course+Management+Integration 
-> > -> -> -> 
-> > -> -> -> 
-> > -> -> -> Is CM a tool? I saw some sample code in "Development approaches" section that seem need to be checked out and build?
-> > -> -> -> 
-> > -> -> -> Which files do i need to modify to do the thing "Implement the CM API".
-> > -> -> -> 
-> > -> -> -> Currently, what i want is like the Sakai Demo: when creating a site, we have a list of previos students to add to new site,
-> > -> -> -> and if we choose "Add course(s) and/or section(s) not listed above...", there will be a drop down list of subject, course, section
-> > -> -> -> to choose.
-> > -> -> -> 
-> > -> -> -> Please help me to understand. Thank you very much. I'm usingSakai 2.8.1
-> > -> -> -> 
-> > -> -> -> Regards,
-> > -> -> -> Hai
-> > 
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