[Building Sakai] Two Samigo Ideas

[Keli Sato Amann]

Hi Joni, Paul and Brian
I hope you can join us on Tues July 24th for a meeting. This would be an excellent topic to pick up again. It is common across many of the schools that are participating in the samigo working group, including Stanford and Indiana and yes, currently, instructors have to create a separate 

Last year, I did a high-level pass at redesigning settings. The biggest change was to combine sections in the settings and have them open accordion style. I also did a really rough pass at thinking about how we might address exceptions, but as you can see in the design, I wasn't sure if exceptions would be defined within one of those collapsable sections or across sections:
https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/SAM/Settings+rework

Jackie picked up where I left off and did a more thorough, detailed second draft defining the 4 new combined sections and got a lot of feedback from the Samigo community. However, she didn't go further with addressing the ability to add exceptions and we have yet to put out a third draft.

Indiana had proposed a design to do what you are talking about (SAM-1408), but it was done before the larger redesign proposal, so can't be used as is. However, Kristol Hancock did a lot of thinking about the use cases, so take a look, as I think we would pick up a lot of it. 
https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAM-1408

The time limit and the available/due date exceptions would both now fit in the "Availability" section so that would need to be combined with Jackie's work here.
https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/SAM/Fleshing+out+Availability

However, before we do that, I note there are two differences I note between Joni's description and Indiana's design
a) extension defined as percentage increase, not minutes and hours
b) desire to set this to happen automatically for all assessments and quizzes that students in this category, rather than in each 

A is certainly possible, though I would be curious to hear from the community, especially Indiana, if this is flexible enough. I'm not sure how B would work or how important it is to Seminole State, but maybe Bryan has given this some thought and I'd be curious to hear more.

Sam Ottenhoff actually has implemented the accordion (SAM-1733) but the rest of the design awaits a final draft. While our developers are still trying to get 2.9 out the door, I think the UX team here might have time in the next week or to to finalize the "Availability" section, especially if Brian is willing to implement all or part of it. It's an opportunity to make sure that his work for Seminole State builds on other work and thinking.

If we put out a spec in about a week (July 20), do you think you could come to a samigo meeting coming up on Tuesday July 24th to give feedback (we meet biweekly)? We meet at 11AM pacific. And if you could give feedback on the points I mention beforehand that would be great.

Keli Amann
User Experience Specialist
Academic Computing Services, Stanford University


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joni Miller" <millerjm at seminolestate.edu>
To: "Bryan Holladay" <holladay at longsight.com>, "Paul Dagnall" <pdagnall1 at udayton.edu>
Cc: "sakai-dev" <sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org>, samigo-team at collab.sakaiproject.org
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:15:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Building Sakai] Two Samigo Ideas

Seminole State College is the client that Bryan is referring to.  :)  

For the extended time for individual students proposed by Paul, we have some ideas about implementation:  

Our students have two weeks to notify the faculty member of their necessary accommodations.  I spoke to our DSS office and (in almost all cases), this is either 1.5x or 2x the time limit for each quiz/test, rather than a set number of minutes added to the time limit.  This would usually be after the instructor has published the tests for the term.  

We would like to propose that there be a "Time Extension" area at the top of the Samigo screen.  In this area, the instructor could select a student and choose that Jane Doe needs double time.  Then, when Jane Doe goes to take a test or quiz, it would double the time given for the test.  We often have classes with short quizzes as well as longer exams, and this would cover any time limit set in a given course (whereas extra minutes wouldn't).  

Having to create separate copies of tests, or even simply change the settings on each test, can be very time consuming for an instructor.  We often have instructors making tiny mistakes on the extended time test settings, which causes confusion and frustration for the student needing accommodations.  The instructor then has to manually add the grade for the student, so they have to wait for their grade to be correct in the gradebook.  It can also cause confusion for the rest of the class if an instructor mistakenly releases the test copy to the entire class or sends the copy of the test to the gradebook.  The other students then ask the instructor why there is another test. Having the ability to just say that "Jane Doe needs double time on everything" would really eliminate a lot of work for the faculty and frustration for the students.  

These are our ideas...I'm not sure how other schools implement services for students with disabilities, or how this would actually work to implement in code.  

Joni Miller
Instructional Technology Specialist
Seminole State College of Florida

-----Original Message-----
From: sakai-dev-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [mailto:sakai-dev-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Holladay
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 3:35 PM
To: Paul Dagnall
Cc: sakai-dev; samigo-team at collab.sakaiproject.org
Subject: Re: [Building Sakai] Two Samigo Ideas

CC-ing samigo-team list

#1:

This idea has come up with one of our clients.  I was thinking it through and thought you could add an "Time exception" area under the timed assessment time setting.  Here you could add additional time settings.  So if 1 hour is default, you can add additional time values then assign individuals or groups to this time.  This would  probably require 2 tables: one for a list of time exceptions and the other for group assignments.  I haven't looked into this and it isn't something on my TODO list either.  These are just my 2 cents since it was brought up.

-Bryan

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Paul Dagnall <pdagnall1 at udayton.edu> wrote:
> We're thinking about two Samigo enhancements. I thought I'd see if 
> anyone has any thoughts on these before I start looking into them.
>
> 1. Assigning extended time to individual students from the Settings 
> screen - The current procedure for assigning extended time is to 
> duplicate the assessment and release it to a group that contains the 
> student(s) that
> require(s) the extended time. Our faculty would prefer to have a list 
> of students, similar to the list of groups on the Settings screen, and 
> beside each name on the list the instructor could specify the amount 
> of extended time if necessary.
>
> Programmatically, I think this would require a new table to keep track 
> of the settings for every user for every assessment (and published assessment).
> The table's values would then get displayed on the settings screen 
> where the instructor could then update those records.
>
>
> 2. Define the amount of questions per page without using Parts - 
> Currently there are 3 options for Question Layout: 1 question/page, 1 
> part/page, or the whole test on one page. We're interested in a fourth 
> setting to define an amount of questions per page, though we'd want it 
> limited to between 2 and 10. The idea is to strike a balance between 
> the clickiness of one/page without forcing the instructor to divide 
> the assessment into parts or risk data loss with everything on the 
> same page. I think I remember hearing of some interest in this at the conference last month.
>
> This could be challenging. Perhaps I could copy and alter the 
> procedure that displays single questions to instead pull in multiple 
> based on the setting...
>
>
>
> I didn't see any tickets or work for these but I may have missed it. 
> Please let me know if you have any ideas, suggestions, or warnings :)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul Dagnall
> Application Developer & Administrator
> University of Dayton
>
>
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