[Building Sakai] online chat site-wide?
Adrian Fish
a.fish at lancaster.ac.uk
Wed Feb 8 04:15:07 PST 2012
Is there a way of checking for a tool's presence and visibility to
certain roles though? If an instructor adds Samigo but keeps it hidden
from students while setting up tests the chat remains available, when
Samigo is shown to students chat hides itself. How about a Site method
like 'site.isActiveAssessmentSite' ?.
On 08/02/2012 12:05, Steve Swinsburg wrote:
> I know, there isn't a decent way around it though. A setting in the
> relevant tools that sets some property that the portal reads and
> disables the chat at a particular time? Its tough!
>
>
>
> On 08/02/2012, at 11:02 PM, Adrian Fish wrote:
>
>> That's risky though as it puts the burden on the instructor. One day
>> someone will forget and the students will all get similar marks :)
>>
>> On 08/02/2012 11:48, Steve Swinsburg wrote:
>>> Similarly, couldn't a user just open two browser windows, go and
>>> chat in one, then do the exam in the other?
>>>
>>> Though I think we need a setting where the instructor can disable
>>> the chat in the site. It would be a setting in chat itself, i.e. a
>>> checkbox or button. If the user has permission, they see the option.
>>> Then the can reenable it when they are done with the exam. Any sort
>>> of social interaction tool is going to cause issues with assessment
>>> at some stage though (even forums, or the wiki).
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/02/2012, at 8:50 PM, Adrian Fish wrote:
>>>
>>>> At a tool level, if the tool, Samigo for example, keeps state if
>>>> you switch tools, disabling chat won't work as you'll be able to
>>>> switch tools and chat for a bit before coming back. It'll have to
>>>> be disabled at the site level. It seems a bit heavy to shut down
>>>> chat just because Samigo is installed in a site though. The check
>>>> could perhaps be floating chat checking for Samigo or Mneme being
>>>> installed *and* visible and then disabling itself.
>>>>
>>>> It'd have to be done in the portal as I assume we can't introduce
>>>> dependencies on floating chat in tools like Samigo, or maybe we can
>>>> with 2.9 upwards.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Adrian.
>>>>
>>>> On 07/02/2012 15:33, Matthew Jones wrote:
>>>>> It *sounds* like it is, and assuming he's doing his assessment
>>>>> from a secure testing environment and a browser like
>>>>> Respondus , the online chat does still provide a in-system means
>>>>> of communicating with your others in your class. It seems like it
>>>>> needs to be disabled/hidden in certain tools, specifically the
>>>>> assessment ones. Ideally there would be an option (which defaults
>>>>> to on) when the assessment is created whether or not to disable
>>>>> the chat, and then only disable while it is being administered.
>>>>> Though I'm feeling like it might be easier to do it in the portal
>>>>> where we already do the browser check, and just also do a tool.id
>>>>> <http://tool.id/> check for specific tools.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-21521
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose it's possible the iframe location could change to a
>>>>> different tool and the parent not know about it? It seems portal
>>>>> should keep better track of the iframe locations, and it *looks*
>>>>> like the onLoad method of the iframe will update the parent
>>>>> whenever the location changes.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Steve Swinsburg
>>>>> <steve.swinsburg at gmail.com <mailto:steve.swinsburg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Which version Sakai? There is a new system wide chat tool in
>>>>> 2.9+, which works via connections and site members. But this
>>>>> is the one in the bottom right of the browse window. Is this
>>>>> the one you are using?
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 07/02/2012, at 7:02 PM, Fatima Rahiman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear All
>>>>>> We seem to have strange occurrence with our SAKAI instance
>>>>>> whereby the chat tool is available site–wide…i.e. one can
>>>>>> chat to anyone logged on to the system hence this obviously
>>>>>> poses a security risk if students are engaged in assessments
>>>>>> .I suspect that this must do with some setting that hasn’t
>>>>>> been properly enabled. Can anyone please advise?
>>>>>> Surely the online chat tool should be course specific ?
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