[Building Sakai] Sakai GWT

Tue May 17 11:19:53 PDT 2011

On 05/16/2011 06:11 AM, Adrian Fish wrote:
> The best idea yet. Are you doing a boot camp on it in LA?

No boot camp, but I feel confident we can hook up with it at the late
night bar code demo scene.

-s

> On 16/05/2011 03:30, Steven Githens wrote:
>> I think the answer we can all agree on is to just use C ( or some random
>> gtk binding ), and then just put a filler html5 element in your Sakai frame.
>>
>> http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2011/04/18/broadway-update-3/
>>
>> Sorry.... back to work :p
>>
>> -steve
>>
>> On 05/13/2011 04:50 AM, Adrian Fish wrote:
>>> I wasn't trying to start a holy war; there's enough of that going on
>>> already I'd say.
>>>
>>> Over the years I've just got steadily tired of frameworks that try to
>>> abstract web development away. IMHO they tend to become maintenance
>>> burdens at the point when the original author gets bored or produces a
>>> more innovative approach. To be honest Trimpath is also looking a bit
>>> neglected by Google, so you could potentially place that in the same
>>> category.
>>>
>>> If you are targeting a platform (ie: a browser) it just makes sense to
>>> me to learn its idiosyncrasies as it'll make you a better developer.
>>> Just my opinion, that's all.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Adrian.
>>>
>>> On 13/05/2011 04:47, Thomas Amsler wrote:
>>>> If you are not proficient in JavaScript but know Java, I would
>>>> recommend GWT as well. It takes care of generating consistent and
>>>> efficient JavaScript that works well across all modern browser.
>>>>
>>>> We use GWT quite heavily in gradebook2:
>>>>
>>>> https://source.sakaiproject.org/contrib//gradebook2/trunk/
>>>>
>>>> I have also written a simple tool, SGS, that uses GWT:
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/tamsler/sgs2/wiki
>>>>
>>>> Also, GWT has dramatically improved since v 2.x, using MVP, UI-Binder, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> -- Thomas
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Michael Wenk<mjwenk at ucdavis.edu>   wrote:
>>>>> The beautiful part of GWT is that if you know java, awesome, but if
>>>>> you known JS, great too.  You can inter operate GWT and JS very
>>>>> easily.
>>>>>
>>>>> I too, do not want to engage in a technology holy war, but I find GWT
>>>>> does an awesome job of taking complex processes and the code around
>>>>> those and making it simple, small and fast.
>>>>>
>>>>> So GWT really gives you the best of both worlds, plus incredible debug
>>>>> support in the IDE making development very fast.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Aaron Zeckoski<azeckoski at unicon.net>   wrote:
>>>>>>> Also finding a good Javascript developer is a lot more difficult than finding a good
>>>>>>> Java developer, at least here, in Montreal! That might also influence your
>>>>>>> technological decision.
>>>>>> As a general comment, I have found the opposite to be true (at least
>>>>>> in the UK and the US though it seems true for international projects
>>>>>> as well). It is part of the reason why OAE uses javascript for all
>>>>>> frontend processing (the idea was that JS developers are far more
>>>>>> common and that JS is easier to work with than Java). I'm not claiming
>>>>>> this is true, just that it was believed to be the case in general.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -AZ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2011/5/12 Remi Saias<remi.saias at hec.ca>:
>>>>>>> Adrian, Mustansar,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The affirmation that GWT won't help further down the line seems a bit too
>>>>>>> broad to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't want to enter into a religious fight about technology A being better
>>>>>>> than technology B but I think that deciding to learn and use a technology
>>>>>>> depends on more factors than those raised in this discussion (none actually,
>>>>>>> except Sakai!).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To provide a bit of information about GWT, anybody with a strong Java
>>>>>>> development background, especially with Swing (and probably other MVC
>>>>>>> frameworks) will find rather easy to develop complex UI with GWT. The sole
>>>>>>> fact that we don't have to worry about browser compatibility is a huge plus
>>>>>>> for GWT. And it works very well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also finding a good Javascript developer is a lot more difficult than
>>>>>>> finding a good Java developer, at least here, in Montreal! That might also
>>>>>>> influence your technological decision.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Rémi Saïas
>>>>>>> Gestion des technologies de l'information - HEC Montréal
>>>>>>> Analyste  /  ScrumMaster  -  Projet  ZoneCours 2.0/Sakai
>>>>>>> 514.340.6000  poste 2933  -  Édifice principal - RJ 221c
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------- Message original --------
>>>>>>> Sujet: Re: [Building Sakai] Sakai GWT
>>>>>>> De : Adrian Fish<a.fish at lancaster.ac.uk>
>>>>>>> Pour : sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org
>>>>>>> Date : 2011-05-12 07:29
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Mustansar,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why use GWT? Writing Java layout code and then compiling it to JS? All a bit
>>>>>>> odd if you ask me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why not just learn javascript? YAFT, CLOG, Roster2, BBB. They all use
>>>>>>> javascript and the Trimpath templating engine. OAE uses JS and Trimpath for
>>>>>>> client work. Do yourself a big favour and learn something that'll help you
>>>>>>> further down the line.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Adrian.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/05/2011 10:54, Mustansar Mehmood wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>                I have been looking for a small 'Hello World' type tool for
>>>>>>> sakai which can be used as a starting point for tool development(using
>>>>>>> google web toolkit). Sakai confluence and google searches didnt help:(
>>>>>>> I am hoping if any one in sakai developer community has a something  of this
>>>>>>> nature and is willing to share.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Mustansar
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Mustansar Mehmood
>>>>>>> Educational System Developer&   Integrator
>>>>>>> Informational Technology
>>>>>>> Rice University
>>>>>>> Houston Texas
>>>>>>> Ph:(713)348 2523
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it
>>>>>>> short. -Blaise Pascal
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Lancaster
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>>>>>>>
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