[Building Sakai] Samigo grading fill in questions with accents problems

Tue Sep 7 02:54:53 PDT 2010

Hi Cheryl and Karen,

Are there issues in JIRA for the problems Cheryl has found?

Cheers,
J-F

Karen Tsao a écrit :
> Hi Cheryl,
> 
> I think what your test case is not what should be used by instructors... 
> If the instructor have "naci&oacute;" as the correct answer, not only 
> instructor sees the HTML encoding in authoring and grading, when 
> students take/review the assessment, they will also see this as correct 
> answer. Shouldn't "nació" be displayed to students? Additionally, if you 
> have "nació" entered correctly, all the questions are graded correctly.
> 
> However, I do agree all the questions should be graded correctly even if 
> we enter "naci&oacute;". But because this should not be a common use 
> case, and the fix seems not local but we are in the late stage of 2.7.x 
> release, I plan to fix this in 2.8. Please let me know what you think.
> 
> By the way, I work on a mac and cannot reproduce what you have using Neo 
> Office or Open Office. I will give it a try later when I can access a 
> window box.
> 
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Johns, Cheryl <cheryl.johns at yale.edu 
> <mailto:cheryl.johns at yale.edu>> wrote:
> 
>     That is how I typed it into the question. 
> 
>      
> 
>     I’m on a windows box and had no other way to create the character
>     without cutting/pasting from Word.  I’m sure there is another way,
>     but the behavior is still odd if you look at the tests and how they
>     are scored.
> 
>      
> 
>     *From:* ktsao at hungs.org <mailto:ktsao at hungs.org>
>     [mailto:ktsao at hungs.org <mailto:ktsao at hungs.org>] *On Behalf Of
>     *Karen Tsao
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:16 PM
> 
>     *To:* Johns, Cheryl
>     *Cc:* Developers Sakai-Dev
>     *Subject:* Re: [Building Sakai] Samigo grading fill in questions
>     with accents problems
> 
>      
> 
>     Hi Cheryl,
> 
>     I saw you have "naci&oacute;" instead of "nació" in your question
>     text. Do you do this intentionally? Or this is created through
>     import from an old assessment?
> 
>     Thanks,
>     Karen
> 
>     On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Johns, Cheryl
>     <cheryl.johns at yale.edu <mailto:cheryl.johns at yale.edu>> wrote:
> 
>     We just tested this on nightly and the behavior is the same.  The
>     last question does not get graded properly.
> 
>      
> 
>     I’ll add you to that site as well with your Stanford address.
> 
>      
> 
>     *From:* ktsao at hungs.org <mailto:ktsao at hungs.org>
>     [mailto:ktsao at hungs.org <mailto:ktsao at hungs.org>] *On Behalf Of
>     *Karen Tsao
> 
> 
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:47 PM
>     *To:* Johns, Cheryl
> 
>     *Cc:* Developers Sakai-Dev
> 
> 
>     *Subject:* Re: [Building Sakai] Samigo grading fill in questions
>     with accents problems
> 
>      
> 
>     Hi Cheryl,
> 
> 
> 
>     I cannot reproduce your issue in either Sakai 2.6.x instance or my
>     trunk instance. Can if you give me the instructor and student login
>     of your instance so I can take a look at your instance?
> 
>     Also, can you please try this in Sakai 2.6.x nightly instance
>     (http://nightly2.sakaiproject.org:8087/portal) and let me know if
>     you can reproduce your issue there? If you cannot reproduce this in
>     Sakai 2.6.x, you probably missing some patches. What svn revision do
>     you have?
> 
>     Thanks,
>     Karen
> 
>     2010/4/27 Johns, Cheryl <cheryl.johns at yale.edu
>     <mailto:cheryl.johns at yale.edu>>
> 
>     We are using Sakai 2.6.x and are having problems with fill in
>     questions grading properly when the answers have accent characters
>     in them.  Here is an example of the question and how Samigo
>     functions based on how the test is created.
> 
>      
> 
>     Question:  El actor y humorista Mauricio Borensztein (Tato Bores)
>     {nació} (nacer) en Buenos Aires el 27 de abril de 1927. Desde chico
>     {tuvo} (tener) que salir a trabajar para ayudar en su casa. Antes de
>     {cumplir} (cumplir) diez años ya {había estado|estaba} (estar)
>     abriendo las puertas de los coches en la entrada del Teatro
>     Cervantes. Pese a todo, {pudo} (poder) terminar la escuela primaria,
>     pero no la secundaria.
> 
>     <br />
> 
>     A los 18 años {consiguió} (conseguir) trabajo como plomo, el que
>     lleva los instrumentos y las partituras, en la orquesta de Luis
>     Rolero que {amenizó} (amenizar) los programas de Pepe Iglesias en
>     Radio Splendid. En los intervalos, Tato {contaba} (contar) chistes
>     que el grupo {celebraba} (celebrar) ruidosamente. Julio Porter y
>     Pepe Iglesias {se fijaron} (fijarse) en él y al poco tiempo lo
>     {hicieron} (hacer) debutar ante los micrófonos. A través de Porter
>     {se vinculó} (vincularse) paralelamente al teatro Maipo, el cual lo
>     {incorporó} (incorporar) a sus elencos de revista, en los cuales
>     {resplandeció} (resplandecer) con su humor político inyectado de
>     sutilezas.
> 
>     <br />
> 
>     En 1957 {comenzó} (comenzar) su labor televisiva en La familia Gesa
>     contando chistes políticos. En 1958, cuando el gobierno de Frondizi
>     {enfrentó|enfrentaba} (enfrentar) una crisis ministerial, {apareció}
>     (aparecer) por primera vez vestido de frac, con habano , lentes y
>     peluca, para estar preparado “por si le {ofrecían|ofrecieran}
>     (ofrecer) algún ministerio”, y nunca más {se desentendió}
>     (desentenderse) de ese atuendo.
> 
>      
> 
>      
> 
>     Scenario 1:  Quiz with 1 question, 1 part
> 
>     Outcome:  Question scores fine
> 
>      
> 
>     Scenario 2:  Quiz with 2 questions, 1 part (I put this question in
>     twice)
> 
>     Outcome:  The first question marks the answer wrong, but when the
>     same answer is put into the second question, it scores as correct.
> 
>      
> 
>     Scenario 3:  Quiz with 3 questions, 1 part (I put this question in
>     three times)
> 
>     Outcome:  The first and second questions mark the answer wrong, but
>     when the same answer is put into the third question, it scores as
>     correct.
> 
>      
> 
>     Scenario 4:  Quiz with 2 questions, 2  parts (I put this question in
>     twice; 1 question in each part)
> 
>     Outcome:  The first question marks the answer wrong, but when the
>     same answer is put into the second question in the second part, it
>     scores as correct.
> 
>      
> 
>     I can give someone  guest IDs (both instructor and student) on our
>     server if you want to see the behavior. 
> 
>      
> 
>      
> 
>      
> 
>     Cheryl Johns
> 
>     Applications Support Manager, Instructional Solutions
> 
>     http://cmi2.yale.edu
> 
>     The Center for Media and Instructional Innovation
> 
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> 
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> 
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