[Building Sakai] FW: [Using Sakai] Link between releasing GB item and including it in the course grade calculation

[Gordon, Patricia (psg3a)]

Michelle,

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I really appreciate it. We will look for a way to disable this dependency ourselves, since we get just as many complaints about wanting to include an item in the course grade calculation, but not release the item to students. It's always something, eh?

Thanks again,
Trisha



From: Wagner, Michelle R. [mailto:wagnermr at iupui.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:45 AM
To: Gordon, Patricia (psg3a); sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org
Subject: Re: [Building Sakai] FW: [Using Sakai] Link between releasing GB item and including it in the course grade calculation

Hi Trisha,
Unfortunately, there is currently no way to disable this dependency.  Another community member recently asked me about this, so I asked our designer for her thoughts on the motivation behind this dependency.  I have pasted her explanation below.

Have a great day,
Michelle

In the 2.3 or 2.4 Gradebook, Instructors could set the following
options for a Gradebook item independent of each other:

1) Release this item to students
2) Include this item in course grade calculations

There was also a Gradebook setting that applied to all items, which was:

Display any released assignments and entered scores to students.
Assignments that have been individually set to "released" will not
display to students until this is checked.

These settings made it possible for our Instructors to include a
gradebook item in course grade calculations without releasing the item
to students.  There are a couple of different ways this could happen:

1) If the Instructor checked 'Include this item in course grade
calculations', but did not check 'Release this item to students'.
2) If the Instructor checked 'Include this item in course grade
calculations' and 'Release this item to students', but did not check
'Display any released assignments and entered scores to students.
Assignments that have been individually set to "released" will not
display to students until this is checked.'

Students would then contact their Instructor confused by the
difference in calculations and their Instructor, unable to determine
why there was a difference in calculations would contact us.  We would
then have to instruct them to check both 'Release this item to
students' and 'Display any released assignments ...'.

So, when we redesigned the Gradebook, we made the 'Include this item
in course grade calculations' setting dependent upon the 'Release this
item to students' option so that Instructors could not get themselves
into the situation that I described above.  In the same vein, we also
removed the 'Display any released assignments ...' setting from the
gradebook settings.


On 12/15/09 2:58 PM, "Gordon, Patricia (psg3a)" <psg3a at eservices.virginia.edu> wrote:
My initial message to sakai-dev bounced - anyone got any ideas about this?

Thanks,
Trisha

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [mailto:sakai-user-
> bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of Gordon, Patricia (psg3a)
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 11:11 AM
> To: sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org; sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org
> Cc: Advanced Technology Group
> Subject: [Using Sakai] Link between releasing GB item and including it in the
> course grade calculation
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> At UVa, we have never understood the dependency between including a gradebook
> item in the course grade calculation and releasing that item to students. Is
> there a way to disable this dependency?
>
> Thanks,
> Trisha
>
> Trisha Gordon
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