[DG: Teaching & Learning] Groups are being auto-created by lessons tool

[Adam Marshall]

This has all been explained now.

The Lessons tool is using conditional progress (which is implemented by the auto-created groups). I think the main problem is that students can access the Forums via Lessons and also via the non-hidden Forums tool. Using the latter route bypasses the ‘auto groups’ so students cannot access the topics as the Lessons tool hasn’t added them to the relevant group.

adam

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Dr A C Marshall, WebLearn Service Manager, University of Oxford.
IT Services, 13 Banbury Rd, Oxford. OX2 6NN.


From: Neal Caidin [mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org]
Sent: 04 November 2014 13:28
To: Adam Marshall
Cc: Fawei Geng; portfolio at collab.sakaiproject.org; sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org; pedagogy at collab.sakaiproject.org
Subject: Re: [DG: Teaching & Learning] Groups are being auto-created by lessons tool

Hi ,

Can you provide steps to reproduce the issue? That would be most helpful. Generally I understand what you are saying but having the exact step-by-step will make it easier to see what the root cause is and if it is working as designed or a real problem.

I believe Lessons does auto-create groups to manage the complex options it has for releasing content.

Thanks,
Neal


On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 5:50 AM, Adam Marshall <adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk<mailto:adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk>> wrote:

Perhaps I should clarify what the issue is here.

As I understand it, forums are being accessed via the lessons tool. A variety of topics have been set up in forums and are available to the whole site.

When students try to respond they cannot post because (apparently) the visibility of the topic gets changed to be only available to a site group. The groups are named "access: <title of forum topic>" but don't have

The site owner says she hasn't created these groups and has deleted them and reset the visibility of the topic. As students try to respond, the groups get created again so the whole thing fails.

We can't find anything about groups getting auto created by lessons or forums.

Help!

Ad

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On 3 Nov 2014 12:55, Fawei Geng <fawei.geng at it.ox.ac.uk<mailto:fawei.geng at it.ox.ac.uk>> wrote:
Dear all,

Thanks for reading the question.  To provide a bit context of the issue, at Oxford we are using Sakai 10 and ‘Project’ site.

A user with the ‘maintain’ role uses the Forums tool and links to Forum topics in the Lessons tool.   Last a few days she discovered that some of her students couldn't see a forum topic.  Then she noticed the cause was that the topic was assigned to a group that she was aware of.   I was told that the other maintainers in the site did not create any groups.

This sounds quite strange to me and I could not reproduce what she experienced.   The only thing I can think of is the ‘Lessons” tool that has been newly introduced at Oxford in September.

Has the similar issue occurred to you when using the Forums and Lessons tool?

Many thanks in advance

Fawei

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