[DG: Teaching & Learning] [DG: User Experience] micro-commentary use case for gradable content in Sakai 3?

[Robert Squillace]

Dear Kelli,

Yes, this sounds great - I'd just add to your final list a 4th item - that (given the requisite permissions for the particular context in which the comments are posted) comments on content be treated like other types of content (be shareable, taggable, etc.).

I think, too, a general principle to follow is that whatever instructors might want to do, students might also want to do (and vice-versa), though not always in the same contexts.

And I'm confident faculty would find ways to post text in Sakai (even if just copied and pasted from a Project Gutenberg e-text) if they could use it for social reading.  Integration of offline texts (e. g., iBooks) may be way down the road but, as you say, it's good not to close off that possibility.

Exciting stuff!

Yours,
Bob

Dr. Robert L Squillace
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Liberal Studies Program
New York University
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----- Original Message -----
From: Keli Sato Amann <kamann at stanford.edu>
Date: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:23 pm
Subject: Re: [DG: Teaching & Learning] [DG: User Experience] micro-commentary use case for gradable content in Sakai 3?
To: Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus at gmail.com>, Clay Fenlason <clay.fenlason at et.gatech.edu>
Cc: pedagogy Learning <pedagogy at collab.sakaiproject.org>, Sakai UX <sakai-ux at collab.sakaiproject.org>

> Hi,
> Last Wednesday, after this thread launched, went to retreat of the 
> Stanford library staff working on digital projects and Open Annotation 
> Collaboration (OAC) came up there as well.  Apparently they've been 
> looking for use cases that have to do with teaching and learning and 
> are writing some specs up. I haven't looked into it (I'm not a library 
> person, I'm a general purpose UX specialist doing functional analysis 
> for S3) and was hoping there was someone on this list who was already 
> a semi-expert. My lay understanding is that OAC is looking for a way 
> to have the comments be separate from the thing being commented on, 
> which could be anything from documents to audio, videos, and photos. I 
> believe it means either the content or comments could live in Sakai or 
> in an external system, but one could have a unified view.
> 
> I will point out that this idea of commentary is coming up in several 
> ways for Sakai 3, only one of which was originally what Clay and I 
> were trying to take into account of in the minispecs:
> 
> 1) Commenting on a source document as a way of annotating it (where I 
> think OAC started)
> a) inline as a scholarly activity
> b) as an assignment/task for a class: the beginning of this thread is 
> cut off, but this is where it started--not so much about the student's 
> comments themselves but that instructors should be grade student 
> comments according to a rubric. 
> 
> 2) Commenting on content student submits to fulfil a task as a way of 
> giving feedback (Clay's minispec's original focus)
> a) inline, for formative purposes, as on a draft by instructor or peers
> b) at the end of a file, for summative purposes, no references to time 
> or location.
> 
> the difference between 1 and 2 is that commenting IS the 
> assignment/task in the first case, whereas commenting is something you 
> do in response to a student fulfilling a task/assignment in the second 
> case. From a technology perspective, 1 and 2 might be handled the same 
> way, but the expectations and needs of those doing the commenting will 
> differ with the context. 
> 
> So I think the things that need to be captured are
> 1) that commenting on content is a task one could ask another to do
> 2) that the content being commented on could be either an original 
> source file, or something submitted in response to a task
> 3) that the comments or the content could live outside Sakai 3 but be 
> viewable. Not sure if this is necessary in both situations 1 and 2, 
> but if it is, we'd want to work so that we don't close off this 
> possibility (initially, I believe comments and content would live in Sakai3).
> 
> Keli Amann
> User Experience Specialist
> Academic Computing Services, Stanford University
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus at gmail.com>
> To: "Roger Brown" <roger.brown at uct.ac.za>
> Cc: "Sakai UX" <sakai-ux at collab.sakaiproject.org>, "Tiffany Marra" 
> <tmarra at umich.edu>, "pedagogy Learning" <pedagogy at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:17:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [DG: User Experience] [DG: Teaching & Learning] 
> micro-commentary use case for gradable content in Sakai 3?
> 
> So am realizing that what I described originally as "micro-commentary"
> for purposes of grading in my original use case description is in fact
> part of a larger cluster of annotation-related use cases.
> 
> I also recall there is a project (with Zotero one of the participants)
> that might be of relevance should anyone one want to dig into this
> more at some point:
> 
> <
> 
> Right now they're working on their (RDF) data model*, but I understand
> they'll also be working on some sort of specification. Would be nice
> if they could release some reusable code as well, but am not sure if
> that's on the roadmap or not.
> 
> I posted on note on their list about this conversation just to see if
> they want to consider the use cases, and if they have anything to say
> about it:
> 
> <
> 
> Bruce
> 
> * they just released a new draft, so are probably close to done on that:
> 
> <
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