[DG: Teaching & Learning] [Fwd: [sakai-kernel] Re: Discussions Widget]

Mon Oct 5 09:29:14 PDT 2009

FYI, not sure if this is the group to organize the deeper analysis 
Michael suggests or what the ultimate effect of such an effort would be.

Oliver

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Subject: 	[sakai-kernel] Re: Discussions Widget
Date: 	Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:17:56 -0700
From: 	Michael Korcuska <mkorcuska at sakaifoundation.org>
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Discussion use cases/designs are not well fleshed-out in Sakai 3.  
There was preliminary design work completed but it wasn't based on a  
broad canvasing of community needs.

As you know, the Sakai 2 world shows that there is a difference  
opinion about what is needed (Forums, JForum, YAFT). Whether a single  
(configurable) capability could support most of those varying opinions  
hasn't been analyzed (I would hope it could). And issues like tagging  
posts and grading posts haven't been explored deeply. There was some  
talk in South Africa about contribution in that area (UNISA, for  
example, has discussion sites with thousands of users in them).

So, while the current work addresses discussion partially, I think an  
effort to look at discussion use cases/requirements would be most  
welcome.

Michael

On Oct 5, 2009, at 09:03, Adrian Fish wrote:

> Hi Simon,
>
> Simon Gaeremynck wrote:
>> The discussion widget is not meant to be added to the dashboard.
>> It is suppose to go into a page of a site.
> A dashboard widget would be a nice feature. You may well want to  
> start a
> discussion and invite your mates to it without creating a full blown  
> site.
>>
>> So the procedure of testing this widget is create a site than  
>> create a
>> page (or use the welcome one).
>>
>> Click 'Edit page' and in the texteditor on the right should be a drop
>> down with 'Insert More' in it. There you can select either the
>> discussion or the comment widget. Both should be using the new
>> messaging features.
> All I get when I do that is a grey rectangle with a close button. I'll
> try and test it from source.
>>
>> I think the latest code is already in the svn, if it is not  there  
>> are
>> some patches attached to a jira [1].
> I'll test from a source build and see what happens.
>
> Thanks for the pointers ! (And sorry about the sarky comments Ian, I
> realise you're just spreading the terminology but I've been doing  
> start
> of year admin all day :( )
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adrian.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> [1] http://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-16846
>>
>>
>> 2009/10/5 Adrian Fish <a.fish at lancaster.ac.uk
>> <mailto:a.fish at lancaster.ac.uk>>
>>
>>    Yes, that's the one. I knew if I wrote 'add anything' you'd suss
>>    it out :)
>>
>>    Has anybody got a working UI? I can add sites and contacts,  
>> stuff like
>>    that, so lots of it is working, I just can't add an existing  
>> widget
>>    provided by the build to my dashboard.
>>
>>    Cheers,
>>
>>    Adrian.
>>
>>
>>    Ian Boston wrote:
>>> On 5 Oct 2009, at 15:08, Adrian Fish wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I could also do with some tips about actually adding the current
>>>> discussion widget using the k2 binary install. Whenever you try and
>>>> add
>>>> anything you just get the title bar of a popup window. is the
>>    binary
>>>> build broken?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That sounds like the UI is broken at the moment, AFAIK, the backend
>>> and the build is Ok.
>>>
>>> I assume by "add anything" you mean "use the UI to add an existing
>>> widget provided by the build to my dashboard" ?
>>> Ian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Adrian.
>>>>
>>>> Adrian Fish wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was just about to ask that myself :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl F. Hall wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for status, I think it is relatively complete for the
>>    user cases
>>>>>>> that were considered at the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a link to some docs for the use cases that were
>>    considered?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ==================================
>>>> Adrian Fish
>>>> Software Engineer
>>>> Centre for e-Science
>>>> Bowland Tower South C Floor
>>>> Lancaster University
>>>> Lancaster
>>>> LA1 4YW
>>>> email: a.fish at lancaster.ac.uk <mailto:a.fish at lancaster.ac.uk>
>>>>
>>>> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/YAFT/Yaft
>>>> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/BLOG/Home
>>>> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/AGORA/Home
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <a_fish.vcf>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>    --
>>    ==================================
>>    Adrian Fish
>>    Software Engineer
>>    Centre for e-Science
>>    Bowland Tower South C Floor
>>    Lancaster University
>>    Lancaster
>>    LA1 4YW
>>    email: a.fish at lancaster.ac.uk <mailto:a.fish at lancaster.ac.uk>
>>
>>    http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/YAFT/Yaft
>>    http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/BLOG/Home
>>    http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/AGORA/Home
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
> -- 
> ==================================
> Adrian Fish
> Software Engineer
> Centre for e-Science
> Bowland Tower South C Floor
> Lancaster University
> Lancaster
> LA1 4YW
> email: a.fish at lancaster.ac.uk
>
> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/YAFT/Yaft
> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/BLOG/Home
> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/AGORA/Home
>
>
> >
> <a_fish.vcf>

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