[DG: Open Forum] Access paths

Sean DeMonner demonner at umich.edu
Fri Aug 6 13:45:09 PDT 2010


One follow-up to this: I had some communication with our facilities director about the "chaining of the path" and he said,


"Thanks for the pictures and your observations regarding a more user friendly solution...[snip]...while I agree that this is not the best solution to our building access needs, there are budget limitation that Building & Grounds services must live within.    I will share this information with Building & Grounds Dept.  and inquire further about the future of this area and adding a sidewalk.     However, until this path is identified as an area for improvement and funding is allocated to install a sidewalk, the University will use barriers like this to limit use, and improve safety.   Please let me know if you’d like to discuss this further."


So, I interpret this as saying, "until we have the money to do it right, we need to eliminate a potential safety (and liability) issue". Which I think is understandable. Imagine someone breaking their ankle on that path and suing the University for negligence or making the case that a commonly-used thoroughfare is not ADA compliant, and you can start to get a sense of the not-immediately-obvious challenges and constraints the facilities group faces.

As system builders and administrators we also have to deal with similar constraints and make a good-faith effort to do as much as we can within them.

SMD.




On Aug 6, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Pavolka, Rita Kay wrote:

> Not so simple after all. I've never been at the building, sorry to say.
> 
> And, by the way, I didn't mean to imply Michigan didn't use woodchips.
> 
> Anyway, I've found the excellent examples and comparisons to work we  
> need to do with Sakai very stimulating.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rita Pavolka, Indiana University, Sakai online training and support  
> for IU
> 
> where even our students have pickup games of touch-football and  
> soccer. ;-)
> 
> (sent from my iphone)
> 
> On Aug 6, 2010, at 10:09 AM, "Perpich, Diana" <dperpich at umich.edu>  
> wrote:
> 
>> The real problem, of course, is complex-- not unlike web design--  
>> with conflicting needs and expectations.  I work in that building,  
>> see that path from my workspace, and I walk that path daily (well,  
>> not yesterday!).  I've actually spent time considering that space.
>> 
>> I think it was probably designed for two main purposes, as dramatic  
>> foreground to set off the building, and also as a flexible  
>> recreational space.  Think touch-football (it is Michigan, after  
>> all) or pickup soccer.  Problem was, the designers forgot to step  
>> outside the space and consider it's relationship to the other  
>> buildings (think other systems) on campus and to what students  
>> actually need to do, which is get to Point A to Point B as  
>> efficiently as possible.  Obvious parallels to educational tool  
>> design.
>> 
>> Wood chips would help with reclaiming the concept of intentional  
>> design.  And they would legitimize the demonstrated need to get from  
>> A to B.  But would they support the students' need to have this  
>> place to play ball?  Granted, the space isn't often used this way--  
>> but sometimes it is-- and the fence might be an attempt to protect  
>> that important minority need.  And sometimes in Sakai we sometimes  
>> make choices to protect the silent minority (accessibility,  
>> security) that look really foolish to pedestrian users.
>> 
>> Oh, and by the way.  The result of the fence will be two dirt  
>> paths.  The original path is still viable for folks with average  
>> inseams.  The second path will aim toward the point where the bushes  
>> meet the sidewalk about ten meters to the west.  That second path  
>> shows up each spring when the dirt path turns to mud.  Users do the  
>> darndest things...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> diana perpich | digital media commons | university of michigan
>> 
>> ... and don't get me started about the bike racks.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 11:54 PM, Pavolka, Rita Kay wrote:
>> 
>>> Yep :-). However, there's a simple solution in the path example. Many
>>> institutions put down wood chips :-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rita
>>> 
>>> (sent from my iphone)
>>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 11:09 PM, "Nate Angell" <nangell at rsmart.com>  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Great example Jim! I recognize that path from my own visits to  
>>>> UMich.
>>>> 
>>>> So what's Sakai's fenced-off path: the back button? ;)
>>>> 
>>>> - Nate
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 7:35 PM, Jim Eng <jimeng at umich.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> An off-topic musing:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I work in a building that opened about 12 years ago.  Some people
>>>>> put a lot of thought into the design of the building and how people
>>>>> would get into it and out of it. Here is a photo taken from just
>>>>> outside the front door of the building:
>>>>> 
>>>>> <IMG00321.jpg>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> That path started to appear shortly after the building opened.  It
>>>>> has been used every day by dozens of people -- maybe hundreds of
>>>>> people.  I have always thought of it as an indication that the
>>>>> designers who worked so hard on this little part of the university
>>>>> failed to understand some of the needs of the people trying to get
>>>>> into and out of this building.  There are several other buildings
>>>>> off in that direction, as well as a couple parking lots.  And the
>>>>> only other doors on this side of the building are on the loading
>>>>> dock.  But the people who used the building were able to correct
>>>>> the oversight of the designers.  One person after another chose to
>>>>> use the pretty direct route to the front door (except maybe on
>>>>> rainy days).  In winter, a walkway through the snow quickly appears
>>>>> -- following pretty much the same route as this path.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now here's an update:
>>>>> 
>>>>> <IMG00322.jpg>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Those posts and chains were added yesterday.  I take this as an
>>>>> indication that someone currently responsible for the design of
>>>>> this little part of the university saw a problem.  But they blamed
>>>>> the problem on the people who use this building and decided the
>>>>> answer was to make it harder to get to and from the building.
>>>>> Instead of turning the path into a sidewalk, they want to keep
>>>>> people from using the path.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Grrrr.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What does this have to do with the design of webapps?  If we see
>>>>> that people are creating their own paths through our pages, do we
>>>>> put up fences and barricades?  Or do we recognize the natural paths
>>>>> identified by our users and help make it easier for our users to
>>>>> accomplish their goals?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, nevermind.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jim
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