[WG: Accessibility] Sakai Course Groups Created for Accommodation Purposes
Neal Caidin
neal.caidin at apereo.org
Mon Feb 10 11:26:22 PST 2014
Hi Keli,
Do you know why https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAM-2071 is set to
"Incorporated"? Is there another Jira that includes this functionality?
Should it be re-opened?
Also, if the issue being discussed primarily should be solved through
the Roster tool, perhaps we should loop in the sakai-dev list?
Thanks,
Neal
> Keli Sato Amann <mailto:kamann at stanford.edu>
> February 10, 2014 at 1:08 PM
> Hi
> I just noticed this thread and am going to bcc the Samigo team, just
> as an fyi to them, even though you are probably right Joe, it's not
> exactly a samigo issue. Currently, you have to create two separate
> groups and two separate assessments for accommodations of due dates or
> extra time but there was a desire to have a better way of creating
> exception. I think Indiana had a local patch to have both of those
> assessments go to same Gradebook item. But I had done a design in
> which instructors created one assignment and could extend time (due
> date and/or time limit) for one group OR individuals (SAM-1752).
> https://jira.sakaiproject.org/secure/attachment/33585/partial%20samigo%20Availability%20settings%2018%20August%202012.pdf
>
> Since we didn't have volunteers to implement the design, we didn't get
> far in discussing SAM-1752 as far as whether individuals with
> exceptions would also be represented as groups of one, or in a
> different way entirely, nor did we get to the point of designing what
> this would look like on the student side of Tests & Quizzes
> (presumably, the individuals would only see the assignment, not
> multiple ones)*.
>
> We use Roster locally, but it is only visible to instructors right
> now, so students don't see that certain students have their own group.
> One day we hope to show students Roster (we don't because we don't
> think they have good control over their privacy), and then we'd have
> the same issue too, but you are right, it's not specifically a Samigo
> issue.
>
> Keli Amann
> User Experience Specialist
> Academic Computing Services, Stanford University
>
> *P.S. No one has stepped forward to get the SAM-1752 design
> implemented but the design itself was vetted by Lynn and the T&L
> group, along with interested parties who attended the Samigo Working
> Group meetings. So we pared this design back to SAM-2071, which put
> the available, due, and time limit on the same row to to lay the
> groundwork for SAM-1752. However, even that layout shift didn't make
> it to the 2.10 future release, unless someone takes that on.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mary A. Stores" <mstores at indiana.edu>
> To: "Joseph A Humbert" <johumber at iu.edu>, "Neal Caidin"
> <neal.caidin at apereo.org>, "Matt Clare" <Matt.Clare at BrockU.CA>
> Cc: accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
> Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 11:50:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [WG: Accessibility] Sakai Course Groups Created for
> Accommodation Purposes
>
>
>
> I greee with Joe. For some people we are providing accommodations for
> now, the way the material is accessed is completely different than
> what the design originally was.
>
>
>
> Mary
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: accessibility-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
> [mailto:accessibility-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of
> Humbert, Joseph A
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 2:46 PM
> To: Neal Caidin; Matt Clare
> Cc: accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
> Subject: Re: [WG: Accessibility] Sakai Course Groups Created for
> Accommodation Purposes
>
>
>
>
> I think it needs to be approached from the groups side because we also
> use the groups to help provide accommodations using the resources tool
> (e.g. providing extra recourses only for a user with a disability). I
> also think we might find resources to work on the roster tool more
> easily than Samigo. Thankx.
>
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Neal Caidin [ mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org ]
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 2:33 PM
> To: Matt Clare
> Cc: Humbert, Joseph A; accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
> Subject: Re: [WG: Accessibility] Sakai Course Groups Created for
> Accommodation Purposes
>
>
>
>
> I was thinking that looping in the Samigo team might make sense. Of
> course, another issue is where do the resources come from to implement
> a good solution? :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Neal
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt Clare
>
>
> February 7, 2014 at 2:30 PM
>
>
> Hi Joe and others,
>
>
>
>
>
> I understand the concern. We caution our instructors and others
> involved about turning the Roster tool on in these situations because
> of this.
>
>
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on the most productive path? (especially you: others)
>
>
>
>
>
> I see two ways to move forwards:
>
>
>
>
>
> 1. Keep certain groups out of the Roster[2] tool and related locations
> (Messages comes to mind too)
>
>
> 2. Tools like WeBWorK http://webwork.maa.org/ , a mathematical testing
> tool, allow for extending the test duration for individuals. We could
> suggest that the Samigo tool allow instructors to overdrive the Time
> Limit for individuals.
>
>
>
>
>
> The second option would have the added benefit off allowing one
> assessment to populate one Gradebook item and not force instructors to
> reconcile the other group assessments back to the single item.
>
>
>
>
>
> .\.\att
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt Clare
>
>
> Manager, eLearning
>
>
> Centre for Pedagogical Innovation
>
>
> Part-time Instructor
>
>
> Interactive Arts and Sciences
>
>
> Brock University, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada
>
>
> http://brocku.ca/pedagogical-innovation 905 688 5550 xt 4539 Office:
> SBH321
>
>
>
>
>
> From: <Humbert>, Joseph A < johumber at iu.edu >
> Date: Friday, February 7, 2014 at 1:56 PM
> To: Neal Caidin < neal.caidin at apereo.org >
> Cc: " accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org " <
> accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org >
> Subject: Re: [WG: Accessibility] Sakai Course Groups Created for
> Accommodation Purposes
>
>
>
>
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> {page:WordSection1;} --> Hi Neal, The separate group with separate and
> hidden (to other participants) exam was being used to provide the
> needed accommodation without notifying the entire class the user has a
> disability. That is the heart of the complaints, the student’s privacy
> is being violated and is causing discrimination. The non-descript
> groups method is fine, but it is a workaround not a permanent
> solution. In addition to creating more work for the instructor/TA
> (creating 4+ groups), there still is some risk of discrimination with
> all users having access to group membership. For example, you have 14
> students and 7 groups setup with a certain number of users in each
> group: [3,2,3,2,1,1,2]. Students still may inquire why two groups only
> have one member. So unless the instructor wants to release an extended
> time test to more than the student who needs it, there are always
> going to have to be groups with only one user. It is not very common
> to have two students in a class that need the same accommodation.
> Thankx. Sincerely, From: Neal Caidin [ mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org ]
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:35 PM To: Humbert, Joseph A Cc:
> accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org Subject: Re: Sakai Course Groups
> Created for Accommodation Purposes Hi Joe, The non-descript group
> naming seems like a reasonable workaround and the main cost is the
> effort to educate faculty and others who maintain Sakai sites. That
> option is not being well received at Indiana? Cheers, Neal Humbert,
> Joseph A February 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM Hi All, We have just received
> complaints from students that groups set up in an Oncourse (our name
> for Sakai) course site for the purpose of providing extended time on
> quizzes and tests are visible to all participants in a course site
> when using the “Group Membership” view of the roster tool. This is not
> something new, but we are now receiving disability discrimination
> complaints about the issue. Therefore, we felt we should mention it to
> the wider group. A potential solution (that would take a large amount
> of work) would be to provide a preference for the Roster tool to hide
> certain groups from the “student” role similar to the setting to hide
> groups in the Messages tool. The current solution we will be using at
> Indiana University is to have multiple non-descript groups (group a,
> group b, etc.) so that the group with the person with a disability
> cannot be singled out. Any feedback from the group or other
> suggestions are welcome. Thankx. Sincerely, Joe Humbert, Principal
> Accessibility Analyst UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility
> Centers Indiana University – Bloomington/Indianapolis 535 W Michigan
> St. IT210 F Indianapolis, IN 46202 http://iuadapts.iu.edu (317)
> 274-4378 [Direct Line] (317) 274-6482 [Main Office] johumber at iu.edu
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>
>
> Humbert, Joseph A
>
>
> February 7, 2014 at 1:56 PM
>
>
> Hi Neal,
>
>
>
> The separate group with separate and hidden (to other participants)
> exam was being used to provide the needed accommodation without
> notifying the entire class the user has a disability. That is the
> heart of the complaints, the student’s privacy is being violated and
> is causing discrimination.
>
>
>
> The non-descript groups method is fine, but it is a workaround not a
> permanent solution. In addition to creating more work for the
> instructor/TA (creating 4+ groups), there still is some risk of
> discrimination with all users having access to group membership. For
> example, you have 14 students and 7 groups setup with a certain number
> of users in each group: [3,2,3,2,1,1,2]. Students still may inquire
> why two groups only have one member. So unless the instructor wants to
> release an extended time test to more than the student who needs it,
> there are always going to have to be groups with only one user. It is
> not very common to have two students in a class that need the same
> accommodation.
>
>
>
> Thankx.
>
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Neal Caidin [ mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org ]
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:35 PM
> To: Humbert, Joseph A
> Cc: accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
> Subject: Re: Sakai Course Groups Created for Accommodation Purposes
>
>
>
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> The non-descript group naming seems like a reasonable workaround and
> the main cost is the effort to educate faculty and others who maintain
> Sakai sites.
>
> That option is not being well received at Indiana?
>
> Cheers,
> Neal
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Humbert, Joseph A
>
>
> February 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> We have just received complaints from students that groups set up in
> an Oncourse (our name for Sakai) course site for the purpose of
> providing extended time on quizzes and tests are visible to all
> participants in a course site when using the “Group Membership” view
> of the roster tool. This is not something new, but we are now
> receiving disability discrimination complaints about the issue.
> Therefore, we felt we should mention it to the wider group.
>
>
>
> A potential solution (that would take a large amount of work) would be
> to provide a preference for the Roster tool to hide certain groups
> from the “student” role similar to the setting to hide groups in the
> Messages tool.
>
>
>
> The current solution we will be using at Indiana University is to have
> multiple non-descript groups (group a, group b, etc.) so that the
> group with the person with a disability cannot be singled out.
>
>
>
> Any feedback from the group or other suggestions are welcome. Thankx.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Humbert, Principal Accessibility Analyst
>
> UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility Centers
>
> Indiana University – Bloomington/Indianapolis
>
> 535 W Michigan St. IT210 F
>
> Indianapolis, IN 46202
>
> http://iuadapts.iu.edu
>
> (317) 274-4378 [Direct Line]
>
> (317) 274-6482 [Main Office]
>
> johumber at iu.edu
>
>
>
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> Stores, Mary A. <mailto:mstores at indiana.edu>
> February 7, 2014 at 2:50 PM
>
> I greee with Joe. For some people we are providing accommodations for
> now, the way the material is accessed is completely different than
> what the design originally was.
>
> Mary
>
> *From:*accessibility-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
> [mailto:accessibility-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Humbert, Joseph A
> *Sent:* Friday, February 07, 2014 2:46 PM
> *To:* Neal Caidin; Matt Clare
> *Cc:* accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
> *Subject:* Re: [WG: Accessibility] Sakai Course Groups Created for
> Accommodation Purposes
>
> I think it needs to be approached from the groups side because we also
> use the groups to help provide accommodations using the resources tool
> (e.g. providing extra recourses only for a user with a disability). I
> also think we might find resources to work on the roster tool more
> easily than Samigo. Thankx.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> joe
>
> *From:*Neal Caidin [mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 07, 2014 2:33 PM
> *To:* Matt Clare
> *Cc:* Humbert, Joseph A; accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
> <mailto:accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [WG: Accessibility] Sakai Course Groups Created for
> Accommodation Purposes
>
> I was thinking that looping in the Samigo team might make sense. Of
> course, another issue is where do the resources come from to implement
> a good solution? :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Neal
>
>
> *Matt Clare* <mailto:Matt.Clare at BrockU.CA>
>
> February 7, 2014 at 2:30 PM
>
> Hi Joe and others,
>
> I understand the concern. We caution our instructors and others
> involved about turning the Roster tool on in these situations because
> of this.
>
> Any thoughts on the most productive path? (especially you: others)
>
> I see two ways to move forwards:
>
> 1. Keep certain groups out of the Roster[2] tool and related locations
> (Messages comes to mind too)
>
> 2. Tools like WeBWorK http://webwork.maa.org/, a mathematical testing
> tool, allow for extending the test duration for individuals. We could
> suggest that the Samigo tool allow instructors to overdrive the Time
> Limit for individuals.
>
> The second option would have the added benefit off allowing one
> assessment to populate one Gradebook item and not force instructors to
> reconcile the other group assessments back to the single item.
>
> .\.\att
>
> Matt Clare
>
> Manager, eLearning
>
> Centre for Pedagogical Innovation
>
> Part-time Instructor
>
> Interactive Arts and Sciences
>
> Brock University, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada
>
> http://brocku.ca/pedagogical-innovation 905 688 5550 xt 4539
> Office: SBH321
>
> *From: *<Humbert>, Joseph A <johumber at iu.edu <mailto:johumber at iu.edu>>
> *Date: *Friday, February 7, 2014 at 1:56 PM
> *To: *Neal Caidin <neal.caidin at apereo.org <mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org>>
> *Cc: *"accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
> <mailto:accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org>"
> <accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
> <mailto:accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org>>
> *Subject: *Re: [WG: Accessibility] Sakai Course Groups Created for
> Accommodation Purposes
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> {page:WordSection1;} --> Hi Neal, The separate group with separate
> and hidden (to other participants) exam was being used to provide the
> needed accommodation without notifying the entire class the user has a
> disability. That is the heart of the complaints, the student’s privacy
> is being violated and is causing discrimination. The non-descript
> groups method is fine, but it is a workaround not a permanent
> solution. In addition to creating more work for the instructor/TA
> (creating 4+ groups), there still is some risk of discrimination with
> all users having access to group membership. For example, you have 14
> students and 7 groups setup with a certain number of users in each
> group: [3,2,3,2,1,1,2]. Students still may inquire why two groups only
> have one member. So unless the instructor wants to release an extended
> time test to more than the student who needs it, there are always
> going to have to be groups with only one user. It is not very common
> to have two students in a class that need the same accommodation.
> Thankx. Sincerely, From: Neal Caidin
> [mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:35
> PM To: Humbert, Joseph A Cc: accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
> <mailto:accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org> Subject: Re: Sakai
> Course Groups Created for Accommodation Purposes Hi Joe, The
> non-descript group naming seems like a reasonable workaround and the
> main cost is the effort to educate faculty and others who maintain
> Sakai sites. That option is not being well received at Indiana?
> Cheers, Neal Humbert, Joseph A February 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM Hi All,
> We have just received complaints from students that groups set up in
> an Oncourse (our name for Sakai) course site for the purpose of
> providing extended time on quizzes and tests are visible to all
> participants in a course site when using the “Group Membership” view
> of the roster tool. This is not something new, but we are now
> receiving disability discrimination complaints about the issue.
> Therefore, we felt we should mention it to the wider group. A
> potential solution (that would take a large amount of work) would be
> to provide a preference for the Roster tool to hide certain groups
> from the “student” role similar to the setting to hide groups in the
> Messages tool. The current solution we will be using at Indiana
> University is to have multiple non-descript groups (group a, group b,
> etc.) so that the group with the person with a disability cannot be
> singled out. Any feedback from the group or other suggestions are
> welcome. Thankx. Sincerely, Joe Humbert, Principal Accessibility
> Analyst UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana
> University – Bloomington/Indianapolis 535 W Michigan St. IT210 F
> Indianapolis, IN 46202 http://iuadapts.iu.edu (317) 274-4378 [Direct
> Line] (317) 274-6482 [Main Office] johumber at iu.edu
> <mailto:johumber at iu.edu> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email message,
> including all attachments, is for the sole use of the intended
> recipients and may contain confidential and privileged information.
> If you are not the intended recipient you may NOT use, disclose, copy,
> or disseminate this information. Please contact the sender by reply
> email immediately and destroy all copies of the original message
> including all attachments. Even if you are an intended recipient of
> this email, the author requests that you not forward it to any other
> person without prior consent. -- Neal Caidin Sakai Community
> Coordinator Apereo Foundation neal.caidin at apereo.org
> <mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org> Skype me! (but let me know in advance
> for the first interaction) - nealkdin
>
> *Humbert, Joseph A* <mailto:johumber at iu.edu>
>
> February 7, 2014 at 1:56 PM
>
> Hi Neal,
>
> The separate group with separate and hidden (to other participants)
> exam was being used to provide the needed accommodation without
> notifying the entire class the user has a disability. That is the
> heart of the complaints, the student’s privacy is being violated and
> is causing discrimination.
>
> The non-descript groups method is fine, but it is a workaround not a
> permanent solution. In addition to creating more work for the
> instructor/TA (creating 4+ groups), there still is some risk of
> discrimination with all users having access to group membership. For
> example, you have 14 students and 7 groups setup with a certain number
> of users in each group: [3,2,3,2,1,1,2]. Students still may inquire
> why two groups only have one member. So unless the instructor wants to
> release an extended time test to more than the student who needs it,
> there are always going to have to be groups with only one user. It is
> not very common to have two students in a class that need the same
> accommodation.
>
> Thankx.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> joe
>
> *From:*Neal Caidin [mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 07, 2014 1:35 PM
> *To:* Humbert, Joseph A
> *Cc:* accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
> <mailto:accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Sakai Course Groups Created for Accommodation Purposes
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> The non-descript group naming seems like a reasonable workaround and
> the main cost is the effort to educate faculty and others who maintain
> Sakai sites.
>
> That option is not being well received at Indiana?
>
> Cheers,
> Neal
>
> *Humbert, Joseph A* <mailto:johumber at iu.edu>
>
> February 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM
>
> Hi All,
>
> We have just received complaints from students that groups set up in
> an Oncourse (our name for Sakai) course site for the purpose of
> providing extended time on quizzes and tests are visible to all
> participants in a course site when using the “Group Membership” view
> of the roster tool. This is not something new, but we are now
> receiving disability discrimination complaints about the issue.
> Therefore, we felt we should mention it to the wider group.
>
> A potential solution (that would take a large amount of work) would be
> to provide a preference for the Roster tool to hide certain groups
> from the “student” role similar to the setting to hide groups in the
> Messages tool.
>
> The current solution we will be using at Indiana University is to have
> multiple non-descript groups (group a, group b, etc.) so that the
> group with the person with a disability cannot be singled out.
>
> Any feedback from the group or other suggestions are welcome. Thankx.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> joe
>
> *Joe Humbert, Principal Accessibility Analyst *
>
> *UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility Centers*
>
> *Indiana University – Bloomington/Indianapolis*
>
> *535 W Michigan St. IT210 F*
>
> *Indianapolis, IN 46202*
>
> *http://iuadapts.iu.edu <http://iuadapts.iu.edu/> *
>
> *(317) 274-4378 [Direct Line]*
>
> *(317) 274-6482 [Main Office]*
>
> *johumber at iu.edu <mailto:johumber at iu.edu>*
>
> **
>
> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*
>
> This email message, including all attachments, is for the sole use of
> the intended recipients and may contain confidential and privileged
> information.
>
> **
>
> If you are not the intended recipient you may NOT use, disclose, copy,
> or disseminate this information. Please contact the sender by reply
> email immediately and destroy all copies of the original message
> including all attachments. Even if you are an intended recipient of
> this email, the author requests that you not forward it to any other
> person without prior consent.
>
> --
> Neal Caidin
> Sakai Community Coordinator
> Apereo Foundation
> neal.caidin at apereo.org <mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org>
> Skype me! (but let me know in advance for the first interaction) -
> nealkdin
>
> --
> Neal Caidin
> Sakai Community Coordinator
> Apereo Foundation
> neal.caidin at apereo.org <mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org>
> Skype me! (but let me know in advance for the first interaction) -
> nealkdin
>
> Humbert, Joseph A <mailto:johumber at iu.edu>
> February 7, 2014 at 2:45 PM
>
> I think it needs to be approached from the groups side because we also
> use the groups to help provide accommodations using the resources tool
> (e.g. providing extra recourses only for a user with a disability). I
> also think we might find resources to work on the roster tool more
> easily than Samigo. Thankx.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> joe
>
> *From:*Neal Caidin [mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 07, 2014 2:33 PM
> *To:* Matt Clare
> *Cc:* Humbert, Joseph A; accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
> *Subject:* Re: [WG: Accessibility] Sakai Course Groups Created for
> Accommodation Purposes
>
> I was thinking that looping in the Samigo team might make sense. Of
> course, another issue is where do the resources come from to implement
> a good solution? :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Neal
>
>
>
> *Matt Clare* <mailto:Matt.Clare at BrockU.CA>
>
> February 7, 2014 at 2:30 PM
>
> Hi Joe and others,
>
> I understand the concern. We caution our instructors and others
> involved about turning the Roster tool on in these situations because
> of this.
>
> Any thoughts on the most productive path? (especially you: others)
>
> I see two ways to move forwards:
>
> 1. Keep certain groups out of the Roster[2] tool and related locations
> (Messages comes to mind too)
>
> 2. Tools like WeBWorK http://webwork.maa.org/, a mathematical testing
> tool, allow for extending the test duration for individuals. We could
> suggest that the Samigo tool allow instructors to overdrive the Time
> Limit for individuals.
>
> The second option would have the added benefit off allowing one
> assessment to populate one Gradebook item and not force instructors to
> reconcile the other group assessments back to the single item.
>
> .\.\att
>
> Matt Clare
>
> Manager, eLearning
>
> Centre for Pedagogical Innovation
>
> Part-time Instructor
>
> Interactive Arts and Sciences
>
> Brock University, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada
>
> http://brocku.ca/pedagogical-innovation 905 688 5550 xt 4539
> Office: SBH321
>
> *From: *<Humbert>, Joseph A <johumber at iu.edu <mailto:johumber at iu.edu>>
> *Date: *Friday, February 7, 2014 at 1:56 PM
> *To: *Neal Caidin <neal.caidin at apereo.org <mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org>>
> *Cc: *"accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
> <mailto:accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org>"
> <accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
> <mailto:accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org>>
> *Subject: *Re: [WG: Accessibility] Sakai Course Groups Created for
> Accommodation Purposes
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> {page:WordSection1;} -->Hi Neal,The separate group with separate and
> hidden (to other participants) exam was being used to provide the
> needed accommodation without notifying the entire class the user has a
> disability. That is the heart of the complaints, the student’s privacy
> is being violated and is causing discrimination.The non-descript
> groups method is fine, but it is a workaround not a permanent
> solution. In addition to creating more work for the instructor/TA
> (creating 4+ groups), there still is some risk of discrimination with
> all users having access to group membership. For example, you have 14
> students and 7 groups setup with a certain number of users in each
> group: [3,2,3,2,1,1,2]. Students still may inquire why two groups only
> have one member. So unless the instructor wants to release an extended
> time test to more than the student who needs it, there are always
> going to have to be groups with only one user. It is not very common
> to have two students in a class that need the same
> accommodation.Thankx.Sincerely,From:Neal Caidin
> [mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org] Sent:Friday, February 07, 2014 1:35
> PMTo:Humbert, Joseph ACc:accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
> <mailto:accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org>Subject:Re: Sakai Course
> Groups Created for Accommodation PurposesHi Joe,The non-descript group
> naming seems like a reasonable workaround and the main cost is the
> effort to educate faculty and others who maintain Sakai sites. That
> option is not being well received at Indiana?Cheers,NealHumbert,
> Joseph AFebruary 7, 2014 at 1:11 PMHi All,We have just received
> complaints from students that groups set up in an Oncourse (our name
> for Sakai) course site for the purpose of providing extended time on
> quizzes and tests are visible to all participants in a course site
> when using the “Group Membership” view of the roster tool. This is not
> something new, but we are now receiving disability discrimination
> complaints about the issue. Therefore, we felt we should mention it to
> the wider group. A potential solution (that would take a large amount
> of work) would be to provide a preference for the Roster tool to hide
> certain groups from the “student” role similar to the setting to hide
> groups in the Messages tool.The current solution we will be using at
> Indiana University is to have multiple non-descript groups (group a,
> group b, etc.) so that the group with the person with a disability
> cannot be singled out. Any feedback from the group or other
> suggestions are welcome. Thankx. Sincerely,Joe Humbert, Principal
> Accessibility Analyst UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility
> CentersIndiana University – Bloomington/Indianapolis535 W Michigan St.
> IT210 FIndianapolis, IN 46202http://iuadapts.iu.edu(317) 274-4378
> [Direct Line](317) 274-6482 [Main Office]johumber at iu.edu
> <mailto:johumber at iu.edu>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICEThis email message,
> including all attachments, is for the sole use of the intended
> recipients and may contain confidential and privileged information.If
> you are not the intended recipient you may NOT use, disclose, copy, or
> disseminate this information. Please contact the sender by reply email
> immediately and destroy all copies of the original message including
> all attachments. Even if you are an intended recipient of this email,
> the author requests that you not forward it to any other person
> without prior consent.-- Neal CaidinSakai Community CoordinatorApereo
> Foundationneal.caidin at apereo.org <mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org>Skype
> me! (but let me know in advance for the first interaction) - nealkdin
>
> *Humbert, Joseph A* <mailto:johumber at iu.edu>
>
> February 7, 2014 at 1:56 PM
>
> Hi Neal,
>
> The separate group with separate and hidden (to other participants)
> exam was being used to provide the needed accommodation without
> notifying the entire class the user has a disability. That is the
> heart of the complaints, the student’s privacy is being violated and
> is causing discrimination.
>
> The non-descript groups method is fine, but it is a workaround not a
> permanent solution. In addition to creating more work for the
> instructor/TA (creating 4+ groups), there still is some risk of
> discrimination with all users having access to group membership. For
> example, you have 14 students and 7 groups setup with a certain number
> of users in each group: [3,2,3,2,1,1,2]. Students still may inquire
> why two groups only have one member. So unless the instructor wants to
> release an extended time test to more than the student who needs it,
> there are always going to have to be groups with only one user. It is
> not very common to have two students in a class that need the same
> accommodation.
>
> Thankx.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> joe
>
> *From:*Neal Caidin [mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 07, 2014 1:35 PM
> *To:* Humbert, Joseph A
> *Cc:* accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
> <mailto:accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Sakai Course Groups Created for Accommodation Purposes
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> The non-descript group naming seems like a reasonable workaround and
> the main cost is the effort to educate faculty and others who maintain
> Sakai sites.
>
> That option is not being well received at Indiana?
>
> Cheers,
> Neal
>
>
> *Humbert, Joseph A* <mailto:johumber at iu.edu>
>
> February 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM
>
> Hi All,
>
> We have just received complaints from students that groups set up in
> an Oncourse (our name for Sakai) course site for the purpose of
> providing extended time on quizzes and tests are visible to all
> participants in a course site when using the “Group Membership” view
> of the roster tool. This is not something new, but we are now
> receiving disability discrimination complaints about the issue.
> Therefore, we felt we should mention it to the wider group.
>
> A potential solution (that would take a large amount of work) would be
> to provide a preference for the Roster tool to hide certain groups
> from the “student” role similar to the setting to hide groups in the
> Messages tool.
>
> The current solution we will be using at Indiana University is to have
> multiple non-descript groups (group a, group b, etc.) so that the
> group with the person with a disability cannot be singled out.
>
> Any feedback from the group or other suggestions are welcome. Thankx.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> joe
>
> *Joe Humbert, Principal Accessibility Analyst *
>
> *UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility Centers*
>
> *Indiana University – Bloomington/Indianapolis*
>
> *535 W Michigan St. IT210 F*
>
> *Indianapolis, IN 46202*
>
> *http://iuadapts.iu.edu <http://iuadapts.iu.edu/> *
>
> *(317) 274-4378 [Direct Line]*
>
> *(317) 274-6482 [Main Office]*
>
> *johumber at iu.edu <mailto:johumber at iu.edu>*
>
> **
>
> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*
>
> This email message, including all attachments, is for the sole use of
> the intended recipients and may contain confidential and privileged
> information.
>
> **
>
> If you are not the intended recipient you may NOT use, disclose, copy,
> or disseminate this information. Please contact the sender by reply
> email immediately and destroy all copies of the original message
> including all attachments. Even if you are an intended recipient of
> this email, the author requests that you not forward it to any other
> person without prior consent.
>
> --
> Neal Caidin
> Sakai Community Coordinator
> Apereo Foundation
> neal.caidin at apereo.org <mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org>
> Skype me! (but let me know in advance for the first interaction) -
> nealkdin
>
> --
> Neal Caidin
> Sakai Community Coordinator
> Apereo Foundation
> neal.caidin at apereo.org <mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org>
> Skype me! (but let me know in advance for the first interaction) -
> nealkdin
>
> Neal Caidin <mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org>
> February 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM
> I was thinking that looping in the Samigo team might make sense. Of
> course, another issue is where do the resources come from to implement
> a good solution? :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Neal
>
>
>
> Matt Clare <mailto:Matt.Clare at BrockU.CA>
> February 7, 2014 at 2:30 PM
> Hi Joe and others,
>
> I understand the concern. We caution our instructors and others
> involved about turning the Roster tool on in these situations because
> of this.
>
> Any thoughts on the most productive path? (especially you: others)
>
> I see two ways to move forwards:
>
> 1. Keep certain groups out of the Roster[2] tool and related locations
> (Messages comes to mind too)
> 2. Tools like WeBWorK http://webwork.maa.org/, a mathematical testing
> tool, allow for extending the test duration for individuals. We could
> suggest that the Samigo tool allow instructors to overdrive the Time
> Limit for individuals.
>
> The second option would have the added benefit off allowing one
> assessment to populate one Gradebook item and not force instructors to
> reconcile the other group assessments back to the single item.
>
> .\.\att
>
> Matt Clare
> Manager, eLearning
> Centre for Pedagogical Innovation
> Part-time Instructor
> Interactive Arts and Sciences
> Brock University, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada
> http://brocku.ca/pedagogical-innovation 905 688 5550 xt 4539
> Office: SBH321
>
> From: <Humbert>, Joseph A <johumber at iu.edu <mailto:johumber at iu.edu>>
> Date: Friday, February 7, 2014 at 1:56 PM
> To: Neal Caidin <neal.caidin at apereo.org <mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org>>
> Cc: "accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
> <mailto:accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org>"
> <accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
> <mailto:accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org>>
> Subject: Re: [WG: Accessibility] Sakai Course Groups Created for
> Accommodation Purposes
>
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> {page:WordSection1;} --> Hi Neal,The separate group with separate and
> hidden (to other participants) exam was being used to provide the
> needed accommodation without notifying the entire class the user has a
> disability. That is the heart of the complaints, the student’s privacy
> is being violated and is causing discrimination.The non-descript
> groups method is fine, but it is a workaround not a permanent
> solution. In addition to creating more work for the instructor/TA
> (creating 4+ groups), there still is some risk of discrimination with
> all users having access to group membership. For example, you have 14
> students and 7 groups setup with a certain number of users in each
> group: [3,2,3,2,1,1,2]. Students still may inquire why two groups only
> have one member. So unless the instructor wants to release an extended
> time test to more than the student who needs it, there are always
> going to have to be groups with only one user. It is not very common
> to have two students in a class that need the same
> accommodation.Thankx.Sincerely,From:Neal Caidin
> [mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:35
> PMTo: Humbert, Joseph ACc:
> accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.orgSubject: Re: Sakai Course Groups
> Created for Accommodation PurposesHi Joe,The non-descript group naming
> seems like a reasonable workaround and the main cost is the effort to
> educate faculty and others who maintain Sakai sites. That option is
> not being well received at Indiana?Cheers,NealHumbert, Joseph
> AFebruary 7, 2014 at 1:11 PMHi All,We have just received complaints
> from students that groups set up in an Oncourse (our name for Sakai)
> course site for the purpose of providing extended time on quizzes and
> tests are visible to all participants in a course site when using the
> “Group Membership” view of the roster tool. This is not something new,
> but we are now receiving disability discrimination complaints about
> the issue. Therefore, we felt we should mention it to the wider group.
> A potential solution (that would take a large amount of work) would be
> to provide a preference for the Roster tool to hide certain groups
> from the “student” role similar to the setting to hide groups in the
> Messages tool.The current solution we will be using at Indiana
> University is to have multiple non-descript groups (group a, group b,
> etc.) so that the group with the person with a disability cannot be
> singled out. Any feedback from the group or other suggestions are
> welcome. Thankx. Sincerely,Joe Humbert, Principal Accessibility
> Analyst UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility CentersIndiana
> University – Bloomington/Indianapolis535 W Michigan St. IT210
> FIndianapolis, IN 46202http://iuadapts.iu.edu(317) 274-4378 [Direct
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> CaidinSakai Community CoordinatorApereo
> Foundationneal.caidin at apereo.orgSkype me! (but let me know in advance
> for the first interaction) - nealkdin
--
Neal Caidin
Sakai Community Coordinator
Apereo Foundation
neal.caidin at apereo.org
Skype me! (but let me know in advance for the first interaction) - nealkdin
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