[WG: Accessibility] Sakai Course Groups Created for Accommodation Purposes

Stores, Mary A. mstores at indiana.edu
Fri Feb 7 11:50:43 PST 2014


I greee with Joe. For some people we are providing accommodations for now, the way the material is accessed is completely different than what the design originally was.

Mary


From: accessibility-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [mailto:accessibility-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 2:46 PM
To: Neal Caidin; Matt Clare
Cc: accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
Subject: Re: [WG: Accessibility] Sakai Course Groups Created for Accommodation Purposes

I think it needs to be approached from the groups side because we also use the groups to help provide accommodations using the resources tool (e.g. providing extra recourses only for a user with a disability). I also think we might find resources to work on the roster tool more easily than Samigo. Thankx.

Sincerely,
[joe]

From: Neal Caidin [mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org]
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 2:33 PM
To: Matt Clare
Cc: Humbert, Joseph A; accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org<mailto:accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org>
Subject: Re: [WG: Accessibility] Sakai Course Groups Created for Accommodation Purposes

I was thinking that looping in the Samigo team might make sense. Of course, another issue is where do the resources come from to implement a good solution? :-)

Thanks,
Neal


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Matt Clare<mailto:Matt.Clare at BrockU.CA>
February 7, 2014 at 2:30 PM
Hi Joe and others,

I understand the concern.  We caution our instructors and others involved about turning the Roster tool on in these situations because of this.

Any thoughts on the most productive path? (especially you: others)

I see two ways to move forwards:

1. Keep certain groups out of the Roster[2] tool and related locations (Messages comes to mind too)
2. Tools like WeBWorK http://webwork.maa.org/, a mathematical testing tool, allow for extending the test duration for individuals.  We could suggest that the Samigo tool allow instructors to overdrive the Time Limit for individuals.

The second option would have the added benefit off allowing one assessment to populate one Gradebook item and not force instructors to reconcile the other group assessments back to the single item.

.\.\att

Matt Clare
Manager, eLearning
 Centre for Pedagogical Innovation
Part-time Instructor
 Interactive Arts and Sciences
Brock University, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada
http://brocku.ca/pedagogical-innovation    905 688 5550 xt 4539   Office: SBH321

From: <Humbert>, Joseph A <johumber at iu.edu<mailto:johumber at iu.edu>>
Date: Friday, February 7, 2014 at 1:56 PM
To: Neal Caidin <neal.caidin at apereo.org<mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org>>
Cc: "accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org<mailto:accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org>" <accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org<mailto:accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org>>
Subject: Re: [WG: Accessibility] Sakai Course Groups Created for Accommodation Purposes

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That is the heart of the complaints, the student’s privacy is being violated and is causing discrimination.   The non-descript groups method is fine, but it is a workaround not a permanent solution. In addition to creating more work for the instructor/TA (creating 4+ groups), there still is some risk of discrimination with all users having access to group membership. For example, you have 14 students and 7 groups setup with a certain number of users in each group: [3,2,3,2,1,1,2]. Students still may inquire why two groups only have one member. So unless the instructor wants to release an extended time test to more than the student who needs it, there are always going to have to be groups with only one user. It is not very common to have two students in a class that need the same accommodation.   Thankx.   Sincerely,   From: Neal Caidin [mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:35 PM To: Humbert, Joseph A Cc: accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org<mailto:accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org> Subject: Re: Sakai Course Groups Created for Accommodation Purposes   Hi Joe, The non-descript group naming seems like a reasonable workaround and the main cost is the effort to educate faculty and others who maintain Sakai sites. That option is not being well received at Indiana? Cheers, Neal Humbert, Joseph A February 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM Hi All,   We have just received complaints from students that groups set up in an Oncourse (our name for Sakai) course site for the purpose of providing extended time on quizzes and tests are visible to all participants in a course site when using the “Group Membership” view of the roster tool. This is not something new, but we are now receiving disability discrimination complaints about the issue. Therefore, we felt we should mention it to the wider group.   A potential solution (that would take a large amount of work) would be to provide a preference for the Roster tool to hide certain groups from the “student” role similar to the setting to hide groups in the Messages tool.   The current solution we will be using at Indiana University is to have multiple non-descript groups (group a, group b, etc.) so that the group with the person with a disability cannot be singled out.    Any feedback from the group or other suggestions are welcome. Thankx.   Sincerely,   Joe Humbert, Principal Accessibility Analyst UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University – Bloomington/Indianapolis 535 W Michigan St. IT210 F Indianapolis, IN 46202 http://iuadapts.iu.edu (317) 274-4378 [Direct Line] (317) 274-6482 [Main Office] johumber at iu.edu<mailto:johumber at iu.edu>   CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email message, including all attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipients and may contain confidential and privileged information.   If you are not the intended recipient you may NOT use, disclose, copy, or disseminate this information. Please contact the sender by reply email immediately and destroy all copies of the original message including all attachments. Even if you are an intended recipient of this email, the author requests that you not forward it to any other person without prior consent.     -- Neal Caidin Sakai Community Coordinator Apereo Foundation neal.caidin at apereo.org<mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org> Skype me! (but let me know in advance for the first interaction) - nealkdin
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Humbert, Joseph A<mailto:johumber at iu.edu>
February 7, 2014 at 1:56 PM
Hi Neal,

The separate group with separate and hidden (to other participants) exam was being used to provide the needed accommodation without notifying the entire class the user has a disability. That is the heart of the complaints, the student’s privacy is being violated and is causing discrimination.

The non-descript groups method is fine, but it is a workaround not a permanent solution. In addition to creating more work for the instructor/TA (creating 4+ groups), there still is some risk of discrimination with all users having access to group membership. For example, you have 14 students and 7 groups setup with a certain number of users in each group: [3,2,3,2,1,1,2]. Students still may inquire why two groups only have one member. So unless the instructor wants to release an extended time test to more than the student who needs it, there are always going to have to be groups with only one user. It is not very common to have two students in a class that need the same accommodation.

Thankx.

Sincerely,
[joe]

From: Neal Caidin [mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org]
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:35 PM
To: Humbert, Joseph A
Cc: accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org<mailto:accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org>
Subject: Re: Sakai Course Groups Created for Accommodation Purposes

Hi Joe,

The non-descript group naming seems like a reasonable workaround and the main cost is the effort to educate faculty and others who maintain Sakai sites.

That option is not being well received at Indiana?

Cheers,
Neal

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Humbert, Joseph A<mailto:johumber at iu.edu>
February 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM
Hi All,

We have just received complaints from students that groups set up in an Oncourse (our name for Sakai) course site for the purpose of providing extended time on quizzes and tests are visible to all participants in a course site when using the “Group Membership” view of the roster tool. This is not something new, but we are now receiving disability discrimination complaints about the issue. Therefore, we felt we should mention it to the wider group.

A potential solution (that would take a large amount of work) would be to provide a preference for the Roster tool to hide certain groups from the “student” role similar to the setting to hide groups in the Messages tool.

The current solution we will be using at Indiana University is to have multiple non-descript groups (group a, group b, etc.) so that the group with the person with a disability cannot be singled out.

Any feedback from the group or other suggestions are welcome. Thankx.

Sincerely,
[joe]

Joe Humbert, Principal Accessibility Analyst
UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility Centers
Indiana University – Bloomington/Indianapolis
535 W Michigan St. IT210 F
Indianapolis, IN 46202
http://iuadapts.iu.edu<http://iuadapts.iu.edu/>
(317) 274-4378 [Direct Line]
(317) 274-6482 [Main Office]
johumber at iu.edu<mailto:johumber at iu.edu>

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Neal Caidin
Sakai Community Coordinator
Apereo Foundation
neal.caidin at apereo.org<mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org>
Skype me! (but let me know in advance for the first interaction) - nealkdin

--
Neal Caidin
Sakai Community Coordinator
Apereo Foundation
neal.caidin at apereo.org<mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org>
Skype me! (but let me know in advance for the first interaction) - nealkdin
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