[WG: Accessibility] FW: FW: Sakai is being recognized as "taking accessibility seriously" on the WebAIM e-mail list
Michael S Elledge
elledge at msu.edu
Thu Jan 6 13:17:04 PST 2011
Sorry about that folks, my bad. I thought I'd read in their materials
that an evaluation was free. Clearly not. Thanks for setting me straight
about the fees.
I still worry that it could become a disadvantage for Sakai, though,
especially given NFB's high profile and activism.
Mike
On 1/6/2011 4:02 PM, Richwine, Brian L wrote:
>
> From what I read, the NFB charges quite a bit... There fees are listed
> here:
>
> http://www.nfb.org/nfb/certification_fees.asp?SnID=2080198377
>
> -Brian
>
> *From:*accessibility-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
> [mailto:accessibility-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Michael S Elledge
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:00 PM
> *To:* lucia greco
> *Cc:* accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
> *Subject:* Re: [WG: Accessibility] FW: FW: Sakai is being recognized
> as "taking accessibility seriously" on the WebAIM e-mail list
>
> Hi Lucy--
>
> Your point is well-taken. Accessibility is certainly more than making
> software accessible for blind persons. Unless I misread the
> description, however, NFB doesn't charge for their reviews.
>
> If there are other agencies that provide similar certification for
> other disabilities, we should explore them as well. My point is that
> not having certification (from whichever credible organizations
> provide them) will put Sakai at a disadvantage when universities
> choose learning management systems.
>
> It would also be a shame for Sakai not to get the recognition it
> deserves after all the good effort expended on making it more accessible.
>
> Mike
>
> On 1/6/2011 3:23 PM, lucia greco wrote:
>
> I have one problem with this.
>
> We should not only be looking at blindness testing there are many
> other agencies that help with access appraisals and they all look at
> all disability classes nfb evaluations are two narrow and not worth
> the price. We really need to have a wider evaluation and not pay for a
> bye in from each disability group one by one. I say this as a blind
> person just to give prospective
>
> Lucy Greco
>
> Assistive Technology Specialist
>
> Disabled Student's Program UC Berkeley
>
> (510) 643-7591
>
> http://attlc.berkeley.edu
>
> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>
> *From:*accessibility-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
> <mailto:accessibility-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> [mailto:accessibility-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Scott williams
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:44 AM
> *To:* Michael S Elledge
> *Cc:* management; accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
> <mailto:accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org> WG
> (accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org
> <mailto:accessibility at collab.sakaiproject.org>)
> *Subject:* Re: [WG: Accessibility] FW: Sakai is being recognized as
> "taking accessibility seriously" on the WebAIM e-mail list
>
> As an accessibility coordinator, I very much like the idea of having
> our Ctools/Sakai instance certified by the NFB.
>
> Scott
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Michael S Elledge <elledge at msu.edu
> <mailto:elledge at msu.edu>> wrote:
>
> Hi All--
>
> Several LMS products have received certification from NFB, including
> Desire2Learn and Blackboard:
>
> http://secure.nfb.org/nfbnva/public/certifiedsites.aspx
>
> It seems like this something Sakai should look into, since not having
> certification will put it at a competitive disadvantage; NFB will do a
> free review btw.
>
> More information about testing can be found at this address:
> http://www.nfb.org/nfb/certification_criteria.asp?SnID=2043227788
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 12/11/2010 12:25 PM, Nate Angell wrote:
> > Brian/Mary:
> >
> > I agree with Eli: thanks for sharing!
> >
> > My takeaway from this is that whatever Sakai's actual accessibility,
> > our approach to accessibility is correct: to be open and thorough.
> > Just putting a stamp on software certifying a complex characteristic
> > like accessibility is not the same thing as having an ongoing, open
> > and deep engagement with it.
> >
> > - Nate
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Eli Cochran<eli at media.berkeley.edu
> <mailto:eli at media.berkeley.edu>> wrote:
> >> Brian,
> >> Thanks for sharing that. I'm spreading a little wider.
> >>
> >> - Eli
> >>
> >> On Dec 9, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Richwine, Brian L wrote:
> >>
> >>> Mary found this encouraging take on the Sakai Community on a
> WebAIM e-mail list:
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Stores, Mary A.
> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 11:55 AM
> >>> To: Richwine, Brian L; Londergan, M D; Humbert, Joseph A
> >>> Subject: Sakai is being recognized as "taking accessibility
> seriously" on the WebAIM e-mail list
> >>>
> >>> Is there anything I should say to them? I'm happy to do something.
> >>>
> >>> Mary
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Forwarded message from deborah.kaplan at suberic.net
> <mailto:deborah.kaplan at suberic.net> -----
> >>> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 11:47:14 -0500 (EST)
> >>> From: deborah.kaplan at suberic.net
> <mailto:deborah.kaplan at suberic.net>
> >>> Reply-To: WebAIM Discussion List<webaim-forum at list.webaim.org
> <mailto:webaim-forum at list.webaim.org>>
> >>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessible SCORM Compliant E-Learning Software
> >>> To: WebAIM Discussion List<webaim-forum at list.webaim.org
> <mailto:webaim-forum at list.webaim.org>>
> >>>
> >>> Sam asked:
> >>>
> >>> "I am looking for a SCORM compliant e-learning software and
> authoring tool that is accessible. Ideally, both the authoring tools
> and the courses they produce should be accessible."
> >>>
> >>> And Michael Langum responded:
> >>>
> >>> "Don't forget that an accessible course is only half the issue.
> >>> You (or you client) will also need to ensure that your Learning
> Management System (LMS) is also accessible."
> >>>
> >>> I will also add, the classes are only accessible as the course
> designers make them. No matter how much accessibility is built into
> the learning management system, if the professor/course designer puts
> up videos without captions, flash without accessibility, and images
> without alternative text. Training your faculty/course designers is a
> huge part of making sure your classes are accessible.
> >>>
> >>> (Also, kudos for making sure that both the authoring tools and the
> courses be accessible -- many course designers have accessibility
> needs as well! As do the LMS administrators, so make sure that the
> administration tools are also accessible.)
> >>>
> >>> In any case, I've been very impressed with both Moodle and Sakai,
> fairly unimpressed with Blackboard, and exceedingly unimpressed with
> Angel. The latter two obfuscate what they mean by accessibility and
> what their accessibility efforts are. Moodle and Sakai, on the other
> hand, both take accessibility very seriously and are very open about
> what they mean by accessibility and what their efforts are:
> >>>
> >>> http://docs.moodle.org/en/Moodle_Accessibility_Specification
> >>>
> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/2ACC/Sakai's+Current+Accessibility
> <http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/2ACC/Sakai%27s+Current+Accessibility>
> >>>
> >>> My favorite part of the Moodle accessibility specification is at
> >>>
> <http://docs.moodle.org/en/Moodle_Accessibility_Specification#Rationale_for_Moodle_accessibility>:
> >>> the legal, moral, and market argument for taking accessibility
> seriously.
> >>>
> >>> -Deborah
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> >>>
> >>> ----- End forwarded message -----
> >>>
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> . .
> >>
> >> Eli Cochran
> >> manager of user experience design
> >> user interaction developer
> >> Educational Technology Services, UC Berkeley
> >>
> >> "A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is
> nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away."
> >> - Antoine De Saint-Exupery
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